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The zero-sum command-economy view of free speech: we have to exercise prior restraint on what people can say to ensure that there’s room for the people we appro

The zero-sum command-economy view of free speech: we have to exercise prior restraint on what people can say to ensure that there’s room for the people we approve of to speak.

happytoexplain 3y ago
This seems pretty un-generous. The parent is citing a real, straight-forward cause-and-effect which does not necessitate or even imply a zero-sum game, nor does it imply the extremist solution you're accusing them of supporting.
- Kye 3y ago
  I was struggling to figure out how to respond to them, but I think you got it. I had that famous Stephen Jay Gould quote in mind: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-interested-in-the-weight-and-convolutions https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-int... "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." My post was a call for being smarter about who we invest in. I always wonder about people who call for separating art and artist over such mediocre artistry.
- catiopatio 3y ago
  The zero-sum game and extremist solution are inherent in their position. As the parent says in their reply below: > My post was a call for being smarter about who we invest in.
  - Kye 3y ago
    "We can do better" is not a Hitlerian final solution. I'm calling for having taste, not building gulags.
    - catiopatio 3y ago
      Tall about mixed metaphors! Nobody said anything about a “final solution” or gulags. “We can do better” and “calling for having taste” certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas. If that’s not what you intended, what do you mean by “have taste” and “do better”?
      - Kye 3y ago
        >> "certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas." No. This is a trunk of ideas, not a "marketplace of ideas." I have some wares in there. You can move on if none of it appeals to you. I'm just some strings in your computer. I can't make you do anything. There's no policy work being done here.
HKH2 3y ago
More charitably, attention is zero-sum and we personally have to prioritize if we want to maximize quality. What you said assumes that people will give up on that and jump to coercion. Maybe your cynicism is warranted.

The zero-sum command-economy view of free speech: we have to exercise prior restraint on what people can say to ensure that there’s room for the people we approve of to speak.

happytoexplain 3y ago

This seems pretty un-generous. The parent is citing a real, straight-forward cause-and-effect which does not necessitate or even imply a zero-sum game, nor does it imply the extremist solution you're accusing them of supporting.

Kye 3y ago
I was struggling to figure out how to respond to them, but I think you got it. I had that famous Stephen Jay Gould quote in mind: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-interested-in-the-weight-and-convolutions https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-int... "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." My post was a call for being smarter about who we invest in. I always wonder about people who call for separating art and artist over such mediocre artistry.
catiopatio 3y ago
The zero-sum game and extremist solution are inherent in their position. As the parent says in their reply below: > My post was a call for being smarter about who we invest in.
- Kye 3y ago
  "We can do better" is not a Hitlerian final solution. I'm calling for having taste, not building gulags.
  - catiopatio 3y ago
    Tall about mixed metaphors! Nobody said anything about a “final solution” or gulags. “We can do better” and “calling for having taste” certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas. If that’s not what you intended, what do you mean by “have taste” and “do better”?
    - Kye 3y ago
      >> "certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas." No. This is a trunk of ideas, not a "marketplace of ideas." I have some wares in there. You can move on if none of it appeals to you. I'm just some strings in your computer. I can't make you do anything. There's no policy work being done here.

HKH2 3y ago

More charitably, attention is zero-sum and we personally have to prioritize if we want to maximize quality. What you said assumes that people will give up on that and jump to coercion. Maybe your cynicism is warranted.