> honking May I assume that you haven't used a desktop from some year equivalent to whatever Mac you use? Because modern desktops are far from "honking." I ha

> honking May I assume that you haven't used a desktop from some year equivalent to whatever Mac you use? Because modern desktops are far from "honking." I have a 7950x (the high core count desktop offering). AMD require (sans one brand) water-cooling for it. That means you get big quiet fans, which are far less "honking" than the tiny loud ones that are in laptops by necessity. In fact, due to the nice large radiators that liquid coolers have the fans don't spin at all the majority of the time. When I do need power, it's on-tap. My 6900xt is big honking during gaming, but you can get real quiet $300 GPUs. Or just use the integrated graphics and enjoy the quiet liquid cooling. > big https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-ITX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-ITX