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> Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist... I don't know what the point of machine generated m

> Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist... I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. Bingo. This is a fun toy, but in terms what it means, you may as well ask an AI to pray. It's completely hollow in terms of the actual experience. This could make suitable filler for idle games, ads, aquariums, and elevators. Not much else. Perhaps at best, a producer could use this to fill in the instrumentation behind a singer, but I have a feeling it's not there yet. > The promise of automation was to have machines do the things we don't want to do, so humans could have more time to do things we enjoy... Instead, we are automating the things humans enjoy. Damn. Never looked at it that way. It's still enjoyable to do these things, but perhaps less lucrative. I don't know, do professional musicians like arranging elevator music? I'm strictly an amateur who has never made a dime performing, so I really don't know if that would be joyful, soul-crushing, or somewhere in between. I just know what it means to me, and like I said, you may as well ask the machine to pray for all I think this amounts to.

visarga 3y ago
> but in terms what it means , you may as well ask an AI to pray The generative process is based on a combination of learning and randomness. The random part doesn't mean anything, but it's clear that it is far from just random notes. Do you think human music always starts from a meaning? It's just lucky accidents that sound good. We even retrofit explanations post facto to our actions, we can certainly compose music first and assign a meaning later. Around 150 years ago classical music had a big dilemma - should music be related to concrete things or abstract? Should we put a story to music? So everyone wanted to know "what was the program?" (program==original author's meaning) sometimes composers would just hide it in order to instigate people to use their imaginations. It didn't matter what meaning the author originally assigned to it, better to try to hear it with beginners ears.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  You've misunderstood. I'm not talking about the meaning of the inputs and outputs of a creative process. I'm talking about the very experience of doing the thing. Hence the prayer comparison.

visarga 3y ago

> but in terms what it means , you may as well ask an AI to pray The generative process is based on a combination of learning and randomness. The random part doesn't mean anything, but it's clear that it is far from just random notes. Do you think human music always starts from a meaning? It's just lucky accidents that sound good. We even retrofit explanations post facto to our actions, we can certainly compose music first and assign a meaning later. Around 150 years ago classical music had a big dilemma - should music be related to concrete things or abstract? Should we put a story to music? So everyone wanted to know "what was the program?" (program==original author's meaning) sometimes composers would just hide it in order to instigate people to use their imaginations. It didn't matter what meaning the author originally assigned to it, better to try to hear it with beginners ears.

Tao3300 3y ago
You've misunderstood. I'm not talking about the meaning of the inputs and outputs of a creative process. I'm talking about the very experience of doing the thing. Hence the prayer comparison.