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Sorry, I don't buy it: 1. Regarding the monetization scheme, nobody has ever gotten anything to really significantly work beyond advertising. Yes, there are so

Sorry, I don't buy it: 1. Regarding the monetization scheme, nobody has ever gotten anything to really significantly work beyond advertising. Yes, there are some niche solutions that can support a dev team of maybe 1, but at the end of the day most people aren't willing to pay with anything except their time. 2. Social networks that don't have at least some level of top-down moderation always seem to turn into complete cesspools that fail. You could say reddit relies on their volunteer moderators, and that's totally true, but even these moderators must abide by rules, reddit has terminated numerous subreddits in the past for breaking the rules, etc. I think people should fundamentally accept that humans can't "self organize" at a very large scale on the Internet. I think the reason for this is that anonymity (and I obviously see the irony in me posting about this) completely breaks our normal human systems of "checks and balances". I honestly think Mike Tyson said it best: "Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." There are just too few downsides to being a complete asshole or troll online, where in the real world there are natural consequences for acting that way.

swayvil 3y ago
1) Agreed. Here's are 2 alternatives. Make it so cheap that it doesn't matter. Distribute the hosting. 2) Gotta quibble. I've seen (on reddit) plenty of top-down moderated cesspools. And several totally hand-off utopias too. I think the trick is 1) a subject matter that touches no nerves 2) a high enough bar for entry/respect that excludes the average riffraff. Also we need a way to punch people in the face over the internet. Best I can think of is everybody gets a permanent dossier, publicly shared, that records all your good and bad deeds (and your judgment of good and bad too, for weighting). This makes assholish behavior muchbmore detrimental to a happy online social life.
- viksit 3y ago
  re (1) - how do you think about doing (1)? one of the biggest challenges in hosting this is who pays for the electricity in running the machines! re (2) - I wish we had a way to do subjects that touched no nerves on the internet. that said - an identity system which keeps track of your activity (anonymously, pseudonymously, or real identity) is a great suggestion and something we've implemented in our protocol.
  - jaredhallen 3y ago
    Re re 1) Why not the users? Distribute the content among the clients, and incentivize "seeding" using the built-in economic system - I.e. karma points or whatever.
viksit 3y ago
totally agree with you on (1). no model that isn't advertising has worked so far. but there are other ways and I think we truly owe it to ourselves as a community and society to try them. i've spoken to maybe 10 folks who are reddit moderators. every one of them does it for the fun - but if they could be directly rewarded with something more than "internet karma points" - they would take it, and feel good. to your second point - 100% agreement there. I mention the grassroots moderation in another reply on this thread, but the concept of a subreddit and the control of its creation is a very important one to consider. I don't think this problem has been solved, but I have some theories on how it could be done. by making those who start a subreddit having to put a "stake" in the ecosystem after they hit a particular threshold - and having everyone who has a stake be able to vote on their future - seems like a reasonable way to do it.

swayvil 3y ago

1) Agreed. Here's are 2 alternatives. Make it so cheap that it doesn't matter. Distribute the hosting. 2) Gotta quibble. I've seen (on reddit) plenty of top-down moderated cesspools. And several totally hand-off utopias too. I think the trick is 1) a subject matter that touches no nerves 2) a high enough bar for entry/respect that excludes the average riffraff. Also we need a way to punch people in the face over the internet. Best I can think of is everybody gets a permanent dossier, publicly shared, that records all your good and bad deeds (and your judgment of good and bad too, for weighting). This makes assholish behavior muchbmore detrimental to a happy online social life.

viksit 3y ago
re (1) - how do you think about doing (1)? one of the biggest challenges in hosting this is who pays for the electricity in running the machines! re (2) - I wish we had a way to do subjects that touched no nerves on the internet. that said - an identity system which keeps track of your activity (anonymously, pseudonymously, or real identity) is a great suggestion and something we've implemented in our protocol.
- jaredhallen 3y ago
  Re re 1) Why not the users? Distribute the content among the clients, and incentivize "seeding" using the built-in economic system - I.e. karma points or whatever.

viksit 3y ago

totally agree with you on (1). no model that isn't advertising has worked so far. but there are other ways and I think we truly owe it to ourselves as a community and society to try them. i've spoken to maybe 10 folks who are reddit moderators. every one of them does it for the fun - but if they could be directly rewarded with something more than "internet karma points" - they would take it, and feel good. to your second point - 100% agreement there. I mention the grassroots moderation in another reply on this thread, but the concept of a subreddit and the control of its creation is a very important one to consider. I don't think this problem has been solved, but I have some theories on how it could be done. by making those who start a subreddit having to put a "stake" in the ecosystem after they hit a particular threshold - and having everyone who has a stake be able to vote on their future - seems like a reasonable way to do it.