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Because it needs to be hallucinated.

satvikpendem 3y ago
I don't understand, a Stack Overflow post could tell you the same thing as the LLM. Or are you just being sarcastic? Recent LLMs are fine in terms of smaller things like cron or regex, I use them daily, but yes, for larger pieces of code, they're more likely to be incorrect.
- morelisp 3y ago
  I mean yes an SO answer could also be wrong, or you could ask a human pathological liar, but these are much less likely to begin with, and it's far less likely they could "explain" their answer convincingly. > Recent LLMs are fine in terms of smaller things like cron This is obviously false given the contents of this thread. Indeed, SO (well, SU) got this right: https://superuser.com/questions/428807/run-a-cron-job-on-the-first-monday-of-every-month https://superuser.com/questions/428807/run-a-cron-job-on-the... And crontab(5) explicitly calls out why this is impossible: Note: The day of a command's execution can be specified by two fields — day of month, and day of week. If both fields are restricted (ie, aren't *), the command will be run when either field matches
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    > This is obviously false given the contents of this thread. Not in my experience. GPT4 works a lot better than previous LLMs. Have you used GPT4 yet? Typically in my experience people who talk about LLMs not being that useful (or "pathological liars") have not used them recently, or at all. So, I mean, not a useful opinion worth considering then.
    - morelisp 3y ago
      Sorry, I'm talking about the actual claims in this thread, not your religion.
      - satvikpendem 3y ago
        I have an "actual claim" in this thread, but because mine doesn't agree with your beliefs about LLMs being bad, you ironically claim it's my religion instead, lol.
        morelisp 3y ago
        Your claim then seems to be that galkk is just plain lying? That seems uncharitable.
        satvikpendem 3y ago
        Lying? No, I never said that, their version of ChatGPT (3.5 which is older) or Copilot (the Codex model it uses is much older) might very well be hallucinating wrong answers, sure. But my claim was that the newer models such as GPT 4 work well for certain classes of problems, so no, it's not "obviously false" that they don't work, which is what you claimed. Does GPT 4 get stuff wrong too sometimes? Sure, I never claimed they're perfect either, but unlike people in this thread, it has worked well generally for me based on my experience, but if you want to discount my experience and only listen to other people who confirm your beliefs, you do you.

I don't understand, a Stack Overflow post could tell you the same thing as the LLM. Or are you just being sarcastic? Recent LLMs are fine in terms of smaller things like cron or regex, I use them daily, but yes, for larger pieces of code, they're more likely to be incorrect.

morelisp 3y ago
I mean yes an SO answer could also be wrong, or you could ask a human pathological liar, but these are much less likely to begin with, and it's far less likely they could "explain" their answer convincingly. > Recent LLMs are fine in terms of smaller things like cron This is obviously false given the contents of this thread. Indeed, SO (well, SU) got this right: https://superuser.com/questions/428807/run-a-cron-job-on-the-first-monday-of-every-month https://superuser.com/questions/428807/run-a-cron-job-on-the... And crontab(5) explicitly calls out why this is impossible: Note: The day of a command's execution can be specified by two fields — day of month, and day of week. If both fields are restricted (ie, aren't *), the command will be run when either field matches
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  > This is obviously false given the contents of this thread. Not in my experience. GPT4 works a lot better than previous LLMs. Have you used GPT4 yet? Typically in my experience people who talk about LLMs not being that useful (or "pathological liars") have not used them recently, or at all. So, I mean, not a useful opinion worth considering then.
  - morelisp 3y ago
    Sorry, I'm talking about the actual claims in this thread, not your religion.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      I have an "actual claim" in this thread, but because mine doesn't agree with your beliefs about LLMs being bad, you ironically claim it's my religion instead, lol.
      - morelisp 3y ago
        Your claim then seems to be that galkk is just plain lying? That seems uncharitable.
        satvikpendem 3y ago
        Lying? No, I never said that, their version of ChatGPT (3.5 which is older) or Copilot (the Codex model it uses is much older) might very well be hallucinating wrong answers, sure. But my claim was that the newer models such as GPT 4 work well for certain classes of problems, so no, it's not "obviously false" that they don't work, which is what you claimed. Does GPT 4 get stuff wrong too sometimes? Sure, I never claimed they're perfect either, but unlike people in this thread, it has worked well generally for me based on my experience, but if you want to discount my experience and only listen to other people who confirm your beliefs, you do you.