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Where are the performance per watt numbers? Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget. Performance per watt is much more valuab

Where are the performance per watt numbers? Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget. Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers (TCO) and consumer devices (battery life).

jacooper 3y ago
Well, the article is speaking about the M2 ultra, which only going to be used in the Mac pro under Mac studio, both desktop computers.
- kemayo 3y ago
  The Mac Pro does have a rack-mounted configuration for the non-desktop data centers case. (I have no idea whether people will actually use it that way, but it exists.) https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack
  - charrondev 3y ago
    I can see those being bought up for Datcenters and CI use. There have been companies hosting huge racks of Mac minis for ages to do CI for MacOS and iOS software.
peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget Not really. No. > Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers Assuming performance can be combined. You can't get the same performances of an Nvidia RTX 4080 using 2 M2
solomatov 3y ago
Not always, if you are connected to a source of electricity and doing something limited by speed performance is critical. For me, Desktop use is almost perfect on Apple due to battery life and perf but professional use is much better on Intel/AMD+NVidia. Also you could get much more perf for $ on such machines
- sosborn 3y ago
  > professional use I hate this terminology. How would anyone define "professional use"
  - solomatov 3y ago
    Something with intention to make you money and directly related to powerful machine, i.e. writing code, editing videos, images, etc. As opposed to casual use where you plan simple games, browse internet, etc.
    - daedalusred 3y ago
      'plan simple games' so are you counting complex games as professional use in your example? Let's say I'm a professional researcher for some oil company. My job will primarily consist of browsing the web and writing stuff up, does that make that job not fit into the 'professional' category? You're being paid to browse the web and just report on what you found....
- daedalusred 3y ago
  I'm a professional that gets paid to do things and a MacBook Pro with M1 Max works perfectly for me. This whole 'professional' thing is absurd and full of holes.

jacooper 3y ago

Well, the article is speaking about the M2 ultra, which only going to be used in the Mac pro under Mac studio, both desktop computers.

kemayo 3y ago
The Mac Pro does have a rack-mounted configuration for the non-desktop data centers case. (I have no idea whether people will actually use it that way, but it exists.) https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack
- charrondev 3y ago
  I can see those being bought up for Datcenters and CI use. There have been companies hosting huge racks of Mac minis for ages to do CI for MacOS and iOS software.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

> Anyone can get the performance crown by having an unlimited energy budget Not really. No. > Performance per watt is much more valuable in data centers Assuming performance can be combined. You can't get the same performances of an Nvidia RTX 4080 using 2 M2

solomatov 3y ago

Not always, if you are connected to a source of electricity and doing something limited by speed performance is critical. For me, Desktop use is almost perfect on Apple due to battery life and perf but professional use is much better on Intel/AMD+NVidia. Also you could get much more perf for $ on such machines

sosborn 3y ago
> professional use I hate this terminology. How would anyone define "professional use"
- solomatov 3y ago
  Something with intention to make you money and directly related to powerful machine, i.e. writing code, editing videos, images, etc. As opposed to casual use where you plan simple games, browse internet, etc.
  - daedalusred 3y ago
    'plan simple games' so are you counting complex games as professional use in your example? Let's say I'm a professional researcher for some oil company. My job will primarily consist of browsing the web and writing stuff up, does that make that job not fit into the 'professional' category? You're being paid to browse the web and just report on what you found....
daedalusred 3y ago
I'm a professional that gets paid to do things and a MacBook Pro with M1 Max works perfectly for me. This whole 'professional' thing is absurd and full of holes.