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> They are not even betting one cent in their car safety. Do you mean strictly in the sense of accepting liability for crashes while AutoPilot is engaged? Bec

by zaroth 3y ago

> They are not even betting one cent in their car safety. Do you mean strictly in the sense of accepting liability for crashes while AutoPilot is engaged? Because Tesla makes safety a primary selling point of their vehicles. Objectively Tesla invests hugely in the safety of their vehicles, and scores the absolute highest marks for safety in many government tests. Tesla makes an L2 system where the driver must remain engaged. And part of their FSD system includes the most sophisticated driver gaze and attention tracking system on the market. This has made their FSD system on predominantly non-highway roads safer than the average human driver without FSD.

justapassenger 3y ago
> And part of their FSD system includes the most sophisticated driver gaze and attention tracking system on the market. That’s a just blunt lie. Their driver monitoring system is very deficient. They lack, for example, industry standard of infrared camera that allows you to see through the sunglasses. And all older Model S/X, that have FSD, lack any camera at all.
- zaroth 3y ago
  You’re right, their older cars don’t have their most advanced system. When I said “on the market” I mean the cars they are selling now, not historically. I’ve found the system extremely adept at gaze tracking and alerting. The cabin camera is infrared in their latest models (at least for the last 2 years). Please don’t call me a liar. I am happy to be called wrong and corrected. I should have said “one of the most advanced” because this is in truth a subjective measure and I don’t think agencies like NHTSA rank and qualify attention tracking?
simion314 3y ago
No, I mean actually bet your life, say put your little children in the back and send them to some destination because you seen Tesla videos on YouTube. if you won\t do it for a randoms destination, on what would you risk your children life, on some white listed high-way? which one?
kelnos 3y ago
In minor traffic a week or so ago, I ended up next to a Tesla for a few minutes where the driver had zero hands on the wheel, and her eyes were buried in her phone, with her head angled downward. Whatever system was running seemed to be totally fine with that situation; if that's the most advanced driver attention monitoring system available, we're in a lot of trouble. Tesla caring so much about safety is so obviously a bad joke.
- chroma 3y ago
  I don’t believe you. Teslas have a cabin camera that monitors your gaze and quickly emits warnings if you look at your phone while autopilot is on. If you ignore the warnings, the car puts it emergency flashers on, pulls over, and disables autonomous driving until your next trip. If you do the five times with the FSD beta, you are banned from using FSD.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > are banned from using FSD Do you get a refund?
    - zaroth 3y ago
      It’s a one week ban I believe.
- zaroth 3y ago
  It is not. The FSD Beta enables an aggressive attention monitor which is not active with the basic AutoPilot system. The nag when FSD is enabled is actually quite annoying. Even glancing over at the screen for more than a second will trigger it. If it triggers more than a couple times you get locked out for the drive. If it triggers more than 5 times in total across any number of drives, you get locked out entirely for a full week.

by zaroth 3y ago

justapassenger 3y ago

> And part of their FSD system includes the most sophisticated driver gaze and attention tracking system on the market. That’s a just blunt lie. Their driver monitoring system is very deficient. They lack, for example, industry standard of infrared camera that allows you to see through the sunglasses. And all older Model S/X, that have FSD, lack any camera at all.

zaroth 3y ago
You’re right, their older cars don’t have their most advanced system. When I said “on the market” I mean the cars they are selling now, not historically. I’ve found the system extremely adept at gaze tracking and alerting. The cabin camera is infrared in their latest models (at least for the last 2 years). Please don’t call me a liar. I am happy to be called wrong and corrected. I should have said “one of the most advanced” because this is in truth a subjective measure and I don’t think agencies like NHTSA rank and qualify attention tracking?

simion314 3y ago

No, I mean actually bet your life, say put your little children in the back and send them to some destination because you seen Tesla videos on YouTube. if you won\t do it for a randoms destination, on what would you risk your children life, on some white listed high-way? which one?

kelnos 3y ago

In minor traffic a week or so ago, I ended up next to a Tesla for a few minutes where the driver had zero hands on the wheel, and her eyes were buried in her phone, with her head angled downward. Whatever system was running seemed to be totally fine with that situation; if that's the most advanced driver attention monitoring system available, we're in a lot of trouble. Tesla caring so much about safety is so obviously a bad joke.

chroma 3y ago
I don’t believe you. Teslas have a cabin camera that monitors your gaze and quickly emits warnings if you look at your phone while autopilot is on. If you ignore the warnings, the car puts it emergency flashers on, pulls over, and disables autonomous driving until your next trip. If you do the five times with the FSD beta, you are banned from using FSD.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > are banned from using FSD Do you get a refund?
  - zaroth 3y ago
    It’s a one week ban I believe.
zaroth 3y ago
It is not. The FSD Beta enables an aggressive attention monitor which is not active with the basic AutoPilot system. The nag when FSD is enabled is actually quite annoying. Even glancing over at the screen for more than a second will trigger it. If it triggers more than a couple times you get locked out for the drive. If it triggers more than 5 times in total across any number of drives, you get locked out entirely for a full week.