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I am not sure. I feel more surveilled than I thought would ever be possible. My car watches me in my own garage, and the FBI can pull that data without telling

by xbar 3y ago

I am not sure. I feel more surveilled than I thought would ever be possible. My car watches me in my own garage, and the FBI can pull that data without telling me, without a warrant, just to learn my impressive laundry habits (I'll skip you the trouble, FBI: I use Gain and Downy and Borax, always on cold, tumble dry low).

asveikau 3y ago
And how is that related to using freedom as a reason to invade a sovereign state and suppress opinions not in favor?
colpabar 3y ago
Sure, but to be fair, how many 9/11’s have happened since the first one?
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  9/11 was the extreme statistical anomaly. US Citizens have been historically safe from domestic terrorism for 50 years. ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight... (2013 but the numbers are about the same. Odds of dying in a domestic terror attack vary between 1:12000000 & 1:40000000 or the same as picking the correct inch between DC and NYC). It is interesting this period of safety coincided with the release of the Pentagon Papers and the Church Committee that followed. One result of which was forcing the FBI away from domestic surveillance and refocusing it into a law enforcement mission. This lasted for about 40 years (after which the FBI officially abandoned it's LEO mission to pursue the power that comes with NatSec operations).
- monocasa 3y ago
  How many have been attempted since then?
- drewcoo 3y ago
  They happen annually.
  - colpabar 3y ago
    lol, you got me
HWR_14 3y ago
The FBI never needed a warrant to get information you give to companies freely. That's why they never needed a warrant for phone records. You have rights to protect your data, but you (and Tesla, et al) don't have rights or legal responsibilities to protect data you collect on others.

by xbar 3y ago

asveikau 3y ago

And how is that related to using freedom as a reason to invade a sovereign state and suppress opinions not in favor?

colpabar 3y ago

Sure, but to be fair, how many 9/11’s have happened since the first one?

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
9/11 was the extreme statistical anomaly. US Citizens have been historically safe from domestic terrorism for 50 years. ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight... (2013 but the numbers are about the same. Odds of dying in a domestic terror attack vary between 1:12000000 & 1:40000000 or the same as picking the correct inch between DC and NYC). It is interesting this period of safety coincided with the release of the Pentagon Papers and the Church Committee that followed. One result of which was forcing the FBI away from domestic surveillance and refocusing it into a law enforcement mission. This lasted for about 40 years (after which the FBI officially abandoned it's LEO mission to pursue the power that comes with NatSec operations).
monocasa 3y ago
How many have been attempted since then?
drewcoo 3y ago
They happen annually.
- colpabar 3y ago
  lol, you got me

HWR_14 3y ago

The FBI never needed a warrant to get information you give to companies freely. That's why they never needed a warrant for phone records. You have rights to protect your data, but you (and Tesla, et al) don't have rights or legal responsibilities to protect data you collect on others.