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The past several years have shown that while the intentions of FISA are probably good, it is too easy to abuse. The FBI and many high government officials have

The past several years have shown that while the intentions of FISA are probably good, it is too easy to abuse. The FBI and many high government officials have abused FISA again and again. Crossfire hurricane is just one obvious instance. The FISA court has admonished FBI officials for the abuse, but that's about it. If they're going to have FISA, there needs to be real penalties for abuse. Loss of position. Prison time. There needs to be real consequences for breaking the laws on this. Otherwise, it need to go.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
The state won’t subjugate and punish itself
xbar 3y ago
It's been this way for decades. Consider Feinstein's permanent, steadfast, and sweeping support. She asked completely a performative set of "questions" about its abuse in 2017, along with a lot of pro-702 data. Mostly, she was chock full of softballs under the false pretense of being concerned about privacy, that obviously led to no improvement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Fa-G6pGmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Fa-G6pGmI Laws like 702 of FISA and the Patriot Act seem to be 2 of the 1,000 cuts against the legitimacy of government.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
The FISA process is seeing a lot of much needed scrutiny because of perceived political persecution towards Republicans and Trump. I think it'll be a good thing whether or not Republicans intentions are selfish or noble.
drewcoo 3y ago
FISA originated as a response to Nixon's snooping, as an attempt to secure Americans' privacy against potential threats from (rogue elements of?) the government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... I agree that Ted Kennedy had good intentions in 1978. The stuff today is out of control and completely contrary to the original intent.
pessimizer 3y ago
> The past several years have shown that while the intentions of FISA are probably good When did the past several years show this?

wahnfrieden 3y ago

The state won’t subjugate and punish itself

xbar 3y ago

It's been this way for decades. Consider Feinstein's permanent, steadfast, and sweeping support. She asked completely a performative set of "questions" about its abuse in 2017, along with a lot of pro-702 data. Mostly, she was chock full of softballs under the false pretense of being concerned about privacy, that obviously led to no improvement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Fa-G6pGmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Fa-G6pGmI Laws like 702 of FISA and the Patriot Act seem to be 2 of the 1,000 cuts against the legitimacy of government.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

The FISA process is seeing a lot of much needed scrutiny because of perceived political persecution towards Republicans and Trump. I think it'll be a good thing whether or not Republicans intentions are selfish or noble.

drewcoo 3y ago

FISA originated as a response to Nixon's snooping, as an attempt to secure Americans' privacy against potential threats from (rogue elements of?) the government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... I agree that Ted Kennedy had good intentions in 1978. The stuff today is out of control and completely contrary to the original intent.

pessimizer 3y ago

> The past several years have shown that while the intentions of FISA are probably good When did the past several years show this?