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Ok, let’s focus on the technical aspects. Tesla has no safety life cycle process and as a result FSD is inherently unsafe, from the engineering point of view.

Ok, let’s focus on the technical aspects. Tesla has no safety life cycle process and as a result FSD is inherently unsafe, from the engineering point of view. You can try to hand wave over that, but if you are an engineer working on the safety critical systems (it’s an actual engineering field), that’s all you need to know about FSD.

elif 3y ago
How will you discretely identify every problem to be solved in the domain of live real drivers in real world conditions? Applying a model of an industrial plant where machines interface with machines, and occasionally humans in prescribed and orderly functions, will not get you any closer to safety. What will get you closer to safety is insanely large corpus of real world data being trained on in a continuous feedback loop.
- justapassenger 3y ago
  Ask Boeing how ignoring it works out.
  - jeremyjh 3y ago
    Which Boeing execs ended their career in disgrace after killing hundreds of people in pursuit of lower training costs ?
    - rdlw 3y ago
      Dennis Muilenburg. 189 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610 157 people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_30... That's 346 people killed. Here's an article about his being fired in disgrace after this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/business/Boeing-ceo-muilenburg.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/business/Boeing-ceo-muile...
      - jeremyjh 3y ago
        Wow, totally missed anyone at all was held accountable for that. It’s not much but something at least.
fallingknife 3y ago
You are not actually focusing on technical aspects. You are focusing on regulatory credentials and bureaucratic process. Focusing on technical aspects would mean looking at actual data from on road performance.
- justapassenger 3y ago
  Design process and lifecycle of the product and development is not a technical aspect only at startups building apps to share cat photos.

elif 3y ago

How will you discretely identify every problem to be solved in the domain of live real drivers in real world conditions? Applying a model of an industrial plant where machines interface with machines, and occasionally humans in prescribed and orderly functions, will not get you any closer to safety. What will get you closer to safety is insanely large corpus of real world data being trained on in a continuous feedback loop.

justapassenger 3y ago
Ask Boeing how ignoring it works out.
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  Which Boeing execs ended their career in disgrace after killing hundreds of people in pursuit of lower training costs ?
  - rdlw 3y ago
    Dennis Muilenburg. 189 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610 157 people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_30... That's 346 people killed. Here's an article about his being fired in disgrace after this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/business/Boeing-ceo-muilenburg.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/business/Boeing-ceo-muile...
    - jeremyjh 3y ago
      Wow, totally missed anyone at all was held accountable for that. It’s not much but something at least.

fallingknife 3y ago

You are not actually focusing on technical aspects. You are focusing on regulatory credentials and bureaucratic process. Focusing on technical aspects would mean looking at actual data from on road performance.

justapassenger 3y ago
Design process and lifecycle of the product and development is not a technical aspect only at startups building apps to share cat photos.