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Headlines like this really speed up the decline of media. While it is factual it really exploits what a common person would interpret the headline to mean. Tesl
by megaman821 3y ago
Headlines like this really speed up the decline of media. While it is factual it really exploits what a common person would interpret the headline to mean. Tesla is exploring autonomous driving on most roads and conditions. L3 autonomous driving is not binary, you can get it at certain times, in certain places, under certain weather conditions yet the comparison is anchoring it to a system that isn't aiming to operate under those constraints. So the headline is taking a decent accomplishment for Mercedes and turning into catnip for Tesla haters.
- belter 3y agoMercedes achieves Level 3, while putting their money and responsibility, behind what is a life and death scenario. Tesla fans call it "decent". It's worst than a religion..it's a cult.
- megaman821 3y agoAddress nothing about the misleading headline. Call the person that points it out as part of a cult. Maybe you should take a harder look at yourself.
- justapassenger 3y agoMercedes shipped a system that’s legally self driving, under some set of conditions. Tesla sells system that’s not legally self driving under any set of conditions. You’re always driving, and Tesla will fight you in court if you want them to take liability for any action it took. There’s nothing misleading about this headline.
- simondotau 3y agoAll of that is technically correct but isn’t the point the OP was making. These are products with wildly different aspirations and at different stages of achieving those aspirations.
- justapassenger 3y agoYes. One product works and other doesn’t. And one that doesn’t work is better and for sure will improve and work in the future? And one that does work won’t improve?
- simondotau 3y agoI don’t know who you’re replying to, because that’s certainly nothing to do with what I said.
- zaroth 3y agoIt’s bizarre and absurd to claim a system that’s driven billions of miles “doesn’t work”. I really like how Simondotau put it. These are wildly different systems. Benchmarks can always be rigged and I see this move by Mercedes no differently. Having failed to compete with Tesla on actual self driving technology, they concocted a minimally useful system that could check a box in their marketing material. Mercedes, here, is an ostrich. My primary benchmark for how useful the system is would be how many passenger-miles its driven. We’ll be waiting a long time for Mercedes to be bragging about that metric.
- justapassenger 3y agoBecause it’s very very simple. One system is self driving and other isn’t, no matter how you try to spin it.
- zaroth 3y agoOne is a universal L2 autonomous driving system and one highly limited L3 autonomous driving system. They are both considered forms of autonomous driving. [1] - https://www.synopsys.com/automotive/autonomous-driving-levels.html https://www.synopsys.com/automotive/autonomous-driving-level...
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- dmbche 3y agoI doubt so, I think in the guidelines Meta comments are not encouraged as they are not fruitful for conversation.
- simondotau 3y agoI appreciate your contribution but I disagree that it’s any more “meta” to respond to the community’s unwritten reactions (votes) than responding to its written reactions (normal replies).
- dmbche 3y agoOh I was refering to your comment on the editorialisation of the title, since it's not a comment on the subject of the article but on the writing of it's title. Not a dig, just an observation.
- simondotau 3y agoOh, I misunderstood. Still, I’d argue that in a world where most people who eyeball the headline don’t read the article, the headline is the story. And thus discussing whether the headline leaves a misleading impression is fair game — and not at all meta.
- dmbche 3y agoI'm not a fan of tesla, but not a fan of self driving over all. This headline just tells me that benz is the first to be selling legal automatic driving cars in California, something I assumed Tesla was doing. I found it enlightening. Non technical people would probably assume that Tesla already has this, since we hear about it all the time, and that this is Benz getting up to speed - while it's not the case at all and Benz is beating the largest competitor in the market. I think this is a fair title.