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I wonder if it's possible for Reddit 3rd party app devs (Apollo, etc) to rework their existing apps to use Kbin or Lemmy instead. Could be a huge undertaking. B

I wonder if it's possible for Reddit 3rd party app devs (Apollo, etc) to rework their existing apps to use Kbin or Lemmy instead. Could be a huge undertaking. But it would be an even bigger blow to Reddit, since they can easily funnel users away.

rnmmrnm 3y ago
what we really need is a reddit API facade to onboard all those apps easily.
- jasonm23 3y ago
  That seems to be a fairly simple task, ask ChatGPT to do it ;D
leros 3y ago
The dev of Apollo at least has stated a lack of interest in doing that. He said he wants to build products, not grow a company.
- userm0d 3y ago
  He said that in regards to rolling his own version of Reddit. The parent comment proposes instead to repurpose the app as a client for similar but different already existing service.
  - bonelessfrog 3y ago
    Wouldn't that just eventually come to the same ends as Reddit though? Especially if it becomes popular, the eventual costly server bill would follow
    - skinnymuch 3y ago
      Not everyone is as selfish and ruthless as companies like Reddit, Twitter, etc. Lemmy has some semblance of humanity and ethics.
      - jasonm23 3y ago
        For now. Any service that supercedes whatever next, will eventually be a protocol, and future generations will consider all the iterations in-between to be, dumb.
        skinnymuch 3y ago
        Some of the products are based on anti capitalist principles. Regardless of an amoral view of all this, combining capitalist ventures with egalitarian ventures seems wrong to me. To couple two wildly different ways of ethically interacting with the world and treating people not as commodities.
    - freediverx 3y ago
      It’s possible to run a profitable company that treats its customers well. It’s not possible to do that when you accept VC money or take the company public. Big Apple fan here, but I’m under no delusion that Apple will always make great products or treat their customers well. The moment they struggle to maintain growth, they will resort to the same user-hostile tactics that have enshittified the rest of the internet. That will probably happen under a different CEO, but I think it’s unavoidable in the long term.
- jifarina 3y ago
  If he grows a company just to the right size and sells it, then he could build all the products he wants.
  - leros 3y ago
    It sounds like he has a neopets like game that he's working on next. Not everyone wants to build a company.
- freediverx 3y ago
  Which is why he’s so likable. Anyone focused on building companies has drunk the capitalist kool-aid in pursuit of infinite growth and wealth. That toxic mindset is directly at odds with the (long term) interests of the end users.
slashtab 3y ago
tildes.net feels like a better potential alternative to reddit. People have been raising privacy issue with lemmy.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Can you link/describe detail on the privacy issues with Lemmy?
  - slashtab 3y ago
    https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-about-your-privacy-everything-is https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-...
    - unshavedyak 3y ago
      Appreciate it! Shame. Kinda makes me want to fork Lemmy, because i like the tech stack more behind it lol. Hard to say if i'd like the source without looking, tho
      - unshavedyak 3y ago
        Small update, this is giving me the excuse i needed to look into ActivityPub. I'm rolling my own implementation from the ground up, though more as an exploration into ActivityPub and to experiment with UX. I realized the beauty here is that i don't need to replace Lemmy, Kbin, etc. I can lean into them, and even if i don't gain traction (i probably don't want it anyway. Managing large projects are unfun), i still get to be part of the larger ecosystem. Ie, why write a Client to Lemmy as you might with Reddit, when you can instead write a participating Server which also serves as a Client. Federation is neat like that. Though i'm still unclear on a lot of steps with federation, so we'll see how this goes.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      All of these are a problem with Reddit today. everything on Reddit gets archived near instantly. I don’t think expecting deletion to work on public forums online is reasonable.
safety1st 3y ago
Sample size of one here, but I use Reddit a lot, I'd never heard of Lemmy until the last few days, and once I read about it I immediately added the master RSS feed for SDF's Lemmy instance to my feed reader. (It's https://lemmy.sdf.org/feeds/local.xml?sort=Active https://lemmy.sdf.org/feeds/local.xml?sort=Active for anyone curious). So now for basically the rest of my life I won't be a pure Redditor and I'll always have an OSS/federated alternative to it vaguely on my radar, it's a sea change. I mean Reddit for me psychologically has gone from an OK platform to the bad guy very quickly here and in mere days I've gone from not even knowing alternatives existed to sniffing around the edges of one. Seems like Reddit is waving around a huge footgun right now. Edit! : I can't help but compare Twitter and Reddit to insanely successful older companies like Apple and Microsoft. Both of those companies became very successful by building the biggest moat they could, muscling out their alternatives, acquiring or commoditizing their compliments etc. Google too. Yet with Twitter and Reddit here we have two social media companies who have just said "Hey let's do very public stuff that promotes direct alternatives to our core offering." Idk what to say other than... Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
- nunez 3y ago
  Damn this made me re-download Newsify, which I haven't used in years!

rnmmrnm 3y ago

what we really need is a reddit API facade to onboard all those apps easily.

jasonm23 3y ago
That seems to be a fairly simple task, ask ChatGPT to do it ;D

leros 3y ago

The dev of Apollo at least has stated a lack of interest in doing that. He said he wants to build products, not grow a company.

userm0d 3y ago
He said that in regards to rolling his own version of Reddit. The parent comment proposes instead to repurpose the app as a client for similar but different already existing service.
- bonelessfrog 3y ago
  Wouldn't that just eventually come to the same ends as Reddit though? Especially if it becomes popular, the eventual costly server bill would follow
  - skinnymuch 3y ago
    Not everyone is as selfish and ruthless as companies like Reddit, Twitter, etc. Lemmy has some semblance of humanity and ethics.
    - jasonm23 3y ago
      For now. Any service that supercedes whatever next, will eventually be a protocol, and future generations will consider all the iterations in-between to be, dumb.
      - skinnymuch 3y ago
        Some of the products are based on anti capitalist principles. Regardless of an amoral view of all this, combining capitalist ventures with egalitarian ventures seems wrong to me. To couple two wildly different ways of ethically interacting with the world and treating people not as commodities.
  - freediverx 3y ago
    It’s possible to run a profitable company that treats its customers well. It’s not possible to do that when you accept VC money or take the company public. Big Apple fan here, but I’m under no delusion that Apple will always make great products or treat their customers well. The moment they struggle to maintain growth, they will resort to the same user-hostile tactics that have enshittified the rest of the internet. That will probably happen under a different CEO, but I think it’s unavoidable in the long term.
jifarina 3y ago
If he grows a company just to the right size and sells it, then he could build all the products he wants.
- leros 3y ago
  It sounds like he has a neopets like game that he's working on next. Not everyone wants to build a company.
freediverx 3y ago
Which is why he’s so likable. Anyone focused on building companies has drunk the capitalist kool-aid in pursuit of infinite growth and wealth. That toxic mindset is directly at odds with the (long term) interests of the end users.

slashtab 3y ago

tildes.net feels like a better potential alternative to reddit. People have been raising privacy issue with lemmy.

unshavedyak 3y ago
Can you link/describe detail on the privacy issues with Lemmy?
- slashtab 3y ago
  https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-about-your-privacy-everything-is https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-...
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Appreciate it! Shame. Kinda makes me want to fork Lemmy, because i like the tech stack more behind it lol. Hard to say if i'd like the source without looking, tho
    - unshavedyak 3y ago
      Small update, this is giving me the excuse i needed to look into ActivityPub. I'm rolling my own implementation from the ground up, though more as an exploration into ActivityPub and to experiment with UX. I realized the beauty here is that i don't need to replace Lemmy, Kbin, etc. I can lean into them, and even if i don't gain traction (i probably don't want it anyway. Managing large projects are unfun), i still get to be part of the larger ecosystem. Ie, why write a Client to Lemmy as you might with Reddit, when you can instead write a participating Server which also serves as a Client. Federation is neat like that. Though i'm still unclear on a lot of steps with federation, so we'll see how this goes.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    All of these are a problem with Reddit today. everything on Reddit gets archived near instantly. I don’t think expecting deletion to work on public forums online is reasonable.

safety1st 3y ago

Sample size of one here, but I use Reddit a lot, I'd never heard of Lemmy until the last few days, and once I read about it I immediately added the master RSS feed for SDF's Lemmy instance to my feed reader. (It's https://lemmy.sdf.org/feeds/local.xml?sort=Active https://lemmy.sdf.org/feeds/local.xml?sort=Active for anyone curious). So now for basically the rest of my life I won't be a pure Redditor and I'll always have an OSS/federated alternative to it vaguely on my radar, it's a sea change. I mean Reddit for me psychologically has gone from an OK platform to the bad guy very quickly here and in mere days I've gone from not even knowing alternatives existed to sniffing around the edges of one. Seems like Reddit is waving around a huge footgun right now. Edit! : I can't help but compare Twitter and Reddit to insanely successful older companies like Apple and Microsoft. Both of those companies became very successful by building the biggest moat they could, muscling out their alternatives, acquiring or commoditizing their compliments etc. Google too. Yet with Twitter and Reddit here we have two social media companies who have just said "Hey let's do very public stuff that promotes direct alternatives to our core offering." Idk what to say other than... Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

nunez 3y ago
Damn this made me re-download Newsify, which I haven't used in years!