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I’m registered on the main instance (https://kbin.social/ https://kbin.social/). They are heavily overloaded, the dev already upgraded the server as high as po

I’m registered on the main instance (https://kbin.social/ https://kbin.social/). They are heavily overloaded, the dev already upgraded the server as high as possible (16€ to 67€ per month), but that only helped at the beginning, now that some are saying to join kbin instead of lemmy (because of lemmy devs apparently being tankies), the server is essentially close to dying. This is also an issue with some lemmy instances, earlier today I was unable to reach feddit.de.

codetrotter 3y ago
> Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. For anyone else wondering wth a “tankie” is.
- jtode 3y ago
  Tankie has less to do with any coherent ideology and more to do with just being on the side of whatever is not The USA. It does tend to be true that all 20th century Marxists were and remain tankies, I was raised by such and have family friends who think Putin is awesome and it's fuckin embarrassing. But I am a Marxist in the economic sense and also believe the USA is still a pretty good bet.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    "I'm a vegetarian who won't turn down a burger" basically?
    - Spivak 3y ago
      "My ideal form of government would be something like Marxism but I live under a capitalist regime."
      - jtode 3y ago
        Marxism has to do with pointing out how capital operates on societies; there are no Marxist governments, though he did theorize that the world would eventually work its way to communism, in much the same way that we somehow worked ourselves almost to the point that we're not using slavery anymore. Of course, we are all still carrying around child slavery in our pockets, most of us. It's got a shiny touchscreen and it helps us find our way around, through the power of child slavery. The above paragraph is me being a Marxist.
        Spivak 3y ago
        Well yes, there aren't any capitalist governments either but economic system and government are intertwined. Bartering is the state of nature, everything else is government. So you're right but I think people know what's meant.
        jtode 3y ago
        I think any government that is bought and controlled by capital is a capitalist government, so in my opinion, you are either wrong or lying.
        yanderekko 3y ago
        >I think any government that is bought and controlled by capital is a capitalist government, so in my opinion, you are either wrong or lying. So did communist states have capitalist governments then? Is this boiling down to "real communism has never been tried" again?
        FireInsight 3y ago
        Real capitalism has never been tried either, there is no such thing as an ideologically pure society. Though it is important to note that all of the worlds governments are influenced by capital while "less" are influenced by the effort to achieve a classless society.
  - mort96 3y ago
    In my experience, "tankie" is more or less used these days to refer to "authoritarian leftists", people who claim to be on the left but support authoritarian nominally socialist regimes. There's plenty of USA-hating anarchists who aren't being called tankies. The authoritarianism is a pretty important part of the term. Though this isn't entirely incompatible with what you said, the major non-US geopolitical powers have historically been nominally socialist, and also happen to be authoritarian; so people who support non-US-aligned powers will have been supporters of the USSR or China, and I'm comfortable calling those people tankies.
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      It is one of those contrarian ideologies where people willingly brainwash themselves that the thing they oppose is bad, therefore the other thing has done nothing wrong. Just like the far right, they are so allergic to sharing facts and thinking that they will instantly use mod tools to remove anyone who attempts either when it hurts their feelings. So I'd define it more as primarily someone willfully ignorant of genocide and other appalling human rights abuses with a mild preference for an economic system.
    - jtode 3y ago
      You're not wrong on any point of that, in the final analysis, BUT, I think it's worthwhile to compare tankies to the current set of kool-aid drinking Christian Republicans who are supporting the banning of books and other overtly fascist laws, because they really are two sides of a coin in this case, and illustrate the breakdown of social bonds we are currently experiencing. If you step into the tankie mindset for a moment, you will zoom in on the book banning and anti-trans cudgel that's currently getting swung around, and they will contextualize that with our 400 year history on this continent, and pretty rightly conclude that there is no moral champion at the nation state level, and if there is, it cannot possibly be America, but if they're here, America is the one they are able to fight. Likewise, if you step into a naive geopolitical viewpoint and say to yourself that Russia is a country that lost the cold war and which the West did not really help to become more democratic in the aftermath - you sent your capitalists and that equated to sending freedom, in the minds of Reaganized America. But Capital does not concern itself with anyone's freedom but it's own, and Capital does business with anyone willing to do business with it, including its morally-liberated, and now ideologically-liberated, former rivals, who were never fucking communists in the first place; they were the new autocrats, same as the old autocrats, and likewise, Yeltsin was just a drunky thrown up there to give speeches while they reestablished control under the new capitalist branding. And for thirty years, mostly anyone who question it has been shouted down. "These are our trading partners and they're totally super into freedom, guys! China wants to be like us!" And here we are. But anyways, rant aside, to the tankie and to the book-banning Christian Fascist alike, the enemy has lost all moral status, they are outlaw, and therefore any measure used against them is just, no matter how inherently unjust it might be in and of itself. As long as it's used against them. This is how "good" people like you and me end up joining the organizations that end up living in infamy, whether it's my sainted grandmother who went to her grave believing Stalin was fine or whoever ends up as the evil poster boy for the current attempt at Christian Fascism that Barry Goldwater was already warning yall about. If he had leaned into it like Trump did, he would've brought this all on much sooner, and we would be dealing with some other calamity here in 2023, but Goldwater called it, these people believe in apocalypse as a good thing, so all of us who are right-thinking, whatever economics we may favor, are gonna have to get on the same page about this one.
  - everybodyknows 3y ago
    > Marxists were and remain tankies, I was raised by such and have family friends who think Putin is awesome A curious irony is that the 45th POTUS once characterized Putin's decision to invade as "genius". Actually I take the above as further evidence that the usual projection of political thought onto a single left-right axis remains hopelessly reductive.
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  It was originally those who supported Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" to end the Hungarian counter-revolution in the 50's.
- 2devnull 3y ago
  I’ve always thought of “tankie” as a leftist who wants to murder non-leftists (ideally using the states military equipment, tanks, soldiers, etc…). In other words a “real” communist.
  - FireInsight 3y ago
    "Tankie" also means a "leftist" that wants to murder other leftists...
- freediverx 3y ago
  Not to be confused with the various flavors of socialism, especially the ones that emphasize democratic rule.
danpalmer 3y ago
> already upgraded the server as high as possible (16€ to 67€ per month) No judgement on you or the dev using "as high as possible" here, I realise it could be a simplification in this instance. However, I have seen a fairly strong pattern of fediverse servers being run by people with relatively few skills in system administration/web apps/operations/etc. It seems like there are a lot more people who are engaging with it on the same level as people renting multiplayer game servers, or installing Wordpress on a consumer-focused VPS provider. And I think this is kinda great. I want the fediverse to be accessible at that level or even below! It does lead to issues like this though. 67 euros per month is a small server, and a single server is not the best way to run a service that other people are using. It's different when it's your personal site, but a social network? I think the fediverse needs to figure out whether it wants to focus on making smaller servers easier or bigger servers easier. It's fine if most people are on million-user servers with teams running them, and it's fine if most people are on family servers that can go down without much negative impact, but this middle ground where people are on ~10k sized servers that individuals without the necessary skills are struggling to keep running on a volunteer basis seems to be a bad middle-ground.
- tayo42 3y ago
  I was digging through the lemmy perf issues a little and was surprised how they are doing things. Cool they got as far as they did though. Maybe I really underestimate how unique knowing how to scale things is
- lolinder 3y ago
  In theory shouldn't there be able to be both? Some apps should be able to optimize for large-scale usage while others optimize for ease of installation and maintenance in your spare time, but all should theoretically (barring the inevitable drama) be able to federate with all the others. I do wonder what the funding model is supposed to be for the large servers. Tiny servers can be funded out of pocket, but large platforms can't, and the resource requirements of fediverse apps seem to be much higher per-user than those of a centralized platform. (I'm not sure if the resource requirements are inevitable or just a sign of an immature app.)
tapper 3y ago
Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. The term was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). WTF?
bushbaba 3y ago
To be fair looking at the tech stack kbin was not built with scale in mind. There’s likely a lot of hard scaling limitations to work through which is a fine challenge to have
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codetrotter 3y ago

> Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. For anyone else wondering wth a “tankie” is.

jtode 3y ago
Tankie has less to do with any coherent ideology and more to do with just being on the side of whatever is not The USA. It does tend to be true that all 20th century Marxists were and remain tankies, I was raised by such and have family friends who think Putin is awesome and it's fuckin embarrassing. But I am a Marxist in the economic sense and also believe the USA is still a pretty good bet.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  "I'm a vegetarian who won't turn down a burger" basically?
  - Spivak 3y ago
    "My ideal form of government would be something like Marxism but I live under a capitalist regime."
    - jtode 3y ago
      Marxism has to do with pointing out how capital operates on societies; there are no Marxist governments, though he did theorize that the world would eventually work its way to communism, in much the same way that we somehow worked ourselves almost to the point that we're not using slavery anymore. Of course, we are all still carrying around child slavery in our pockets, most of us. It's got a shiny touchscreen and it helps us find our way around, through the power of child slavery. The above paragraph is me being a Marxist.
      - Spivak 3y ago
        Well yes, there aren't any capitalist governments either but economic system and government are intertwined. Bartering is the state of nature, everything else is government. So you're right but I think people know what's meant.
        jtode 3y ago
        I think any government that is bought and controlled by capital is a capitalist government, so in my opinion, you are either wrong or lying.
        yanderekko 3y ago
        >I think any government that is bought and controlled by capital is a capitalist government, so in my opinion, you are either wrong or lying. So did communist states have capitalist governments then? Is this boiling down to "real communism has never been tried" again?
        FireInsight 3y ago
        Real capitalism has never been tried either, there is no such thing as an ideologically pure society. Though it is important to note that all of the worlds governments are influenced by capital while "less" are influenced by the effort to achieve a classless society.
- mort96 3y ago
  In my experience, "tankie" is more or less used these days to refer to "authoritarian leftists", people who claim to be on the left but support authoritarian nominally socialist regimes. There's plenty of USA-hating anarchists who aren't being called tankies. The authoritarianism is a pretty important part of the term. Though this isn't entirely incompatible with what you said, the major non-US geopolitical powers have historically been nominally socialist, and also happen to be authoritarian; so people who support non-US-aligned powers will have been supporters of the USSR or China, and I'm comfortable calling those people tankies.
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    It is one of those contrarian ideologies where people willingly brainwash themselves that the thing they oppose is bad, therefore the other thing has done nothing wrong. Just like the far right, they are so allergic to sharing facts and thinking that they will instantly use mod tools to remove anyone who attempts either when it hurts their feelings. So I'd define it more as primarily someone willfully ignorant of genocide and other appalling human rights abuses with a mild preference for an economic system.
  - jtode 3y ago
    You're not wrong on any point of that, in the final analysis, BUT, I think it's worthwhile to compare tankies to the current set of kool-aid drinking Christian Republicans who are supporting the banning of books and other overtly fascist laws, because they really are two sides of a coin in this case, and illustrate the breakdown of social bonds we are currently experiencing. If you step into the tankie mindset for a moment, you will zoom in on the book banning and anti-trans cudgel that's currently getting swung around, and they will contextualize that with our 400 year history on this continent, and pretty rightly conclude that there is no moral champion at the nation state level, and if there is, it cannot possibly be America, but if they're here, America is the one they are able to fight. Likewise, if you step into a naive geopolitical viewpoint and say to yourself that Russia is a country that lost the cold war and which the West did not really help to become more democratic in the aftermath - you sent your capitalists and that equated to sending freedom, in the minds of Reaganized America. But Capital does not concern itself with anyone's freedom but it's own, and Capital does business with anyone willing to do business with it, including its morally-liberated, and now ideologically-liberated, former rivals, who were never fucking communists in the first place; they were the new autocrats, same as the old autocrats, and likewise, Yeltsin was just a drunky thrown up there to give speeches while they reestablished control under the new capitalist branding. And for thirty years, mostly anyone who question it has been shouted down. "These are our trading partners and they're totally super into freedom, guys! China wants to be like us!" And here we are. But anyways, rant aside, to the tankie and to the book-banning Christian Fascist alike, the enemy has lost all moral status, they are outlaw, and therefore any measure used against them is just, no matter how inherently unjust it might be in and of itself. As long as it's used against them. This is how "good" people like you and me end up joining the organizations that end up living in infamy, whether it's my sainted grandmother who went to her grave believing Stalin was fine or whoever ends up as the evil poster boy for the current attempt at Christian Fascism that Barry Goldwater was already warning yall about. If he had leaned into it like Trump did, he would've brought this all on much sooner, and we would be dealing with some other calamity here in 2023, but Goldwater called it, these people believe in apocalypse as a good thing, so all of us who are right-thinking, whatever economics we may favor, are gonna have to get on the same page about this one.
- everybodyknows 3y ago
  > Marxists were and remain tankies, I was raised by such and have family friends who think Putin is awesome A curious irony is that the 45th POTUS once characterized Putin's decision to invade as "genius". Actually I take the above as further evidence that the usual projection of political thought onto a single left-right axis remains hopelessly reductive.
RobotToaster 3y ago
It was originally those who supported Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" to end the Hungarian counter-revolution in the 50's.
2devnull 3y ago
I’ve always thought of “tankie” as a leftist who wants to murder non-leftists (ideally using the states military equipment, tanks, soldiers, etc…). In other words a “real” communist.
- FireInsight 3y ago
  "Tankie" also means a "leftist" that wants to murder other leftists...
freediverx 3y ago
Not to be confused with the various flavors of socialism, especially the ones that emphasize democratic rule.

danpalmer 3y ago

> already upgraded the server as high as possible (16€ to 67€ per month) No judgement on you or the dev using "as high as possible" here, I realise it could be a simplification in this instance. However, I have seen a fairly strong pattern of fediverse servers being run by people with relatively few skills in system administration/web apps/operations/etc. It seems like there are a lot more people who are engaging with it on the same level as people renting multiplayer game servers, or installing Wordpress on a consumer-focused VPS provider. And I think this is kinda great. I want the fediverse to be accessible at that level or even below! It does lead to issues like this though. 67 euros per month is a small server, and a single server is not the best way to run a service that other people are using. It's different when it's your personal site, but a social network? I think the fediverse needs to figure out whether it wants to focus on making smaller servers easier or bigger servers easier. It's fine if most people are on million-user servers with teams running them, and it's fine if most people are on family servers that can go down without much negative impact, but this middle ground where people are on ~10k sized servers that individuals without the necessary skills are struggling to keep running on a volunteer basis seems to be a bad middle-ground.

tayo42 3y ago
I was digging through the lemmy perf issues a little and was surprised how they are doing things. Cool they got as far as they did though. Maybe I really underestimate how unique knowing how to scale things is
lolinder 3y ago
In theory shouldn't there be able to be both? Some apps should be able to optimize for large-scale usage while others optimize for ease of installation and maintenance in your spare time, but all should theoretically (barring the inevitable drama) be able to federate with all the others. I do wonder what the funding model is supposed to be for the large servers. Tiny servers can be funded out of pocket, but large platforms can't, and the resource requirements of fediverse apps seem to be much higher per-user than those of a centralized platform. (I'm not sure if the resource requirements are inevitable or just a sign of an immature app.)

tapper 3y ago

Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. The term was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). WTF?

bushbaba 3y ago

To be fair looking at the tech stack kbin was not built with scale in mind. There’s likely a lot of hard scaling limitations to work through which is a fine challenge to have

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