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This degenerates into worse subjective and discriminatory systems Just think of traffic cops on the highway in the US. If you have big tits and a pretty smile

This degenerates into worse subjective and discriminatory systems Just think of traffic cops on the highway in the US. If you have big tits and a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Either enforce laws or get rid of the laws. If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. In the worse dystopian case (see Russia and a lot of the third world) the endless unenforced laws become a means for the govt to harass people they don't like

sokoloff 3y ago
> If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. You’ll be happy to learn that France has moved in the direction to comply with your concern here.
- candiodari 3y ago
  How much do you want to bet that 1) There's a 4-5% mistake rate 2) getting a wrong conclusion of the AI turned back is a 2-year kafkaieske nightmare where you have to front all the money, and even after they admit they're wrong it takes 5 years to get your money back. And then next year you get another tax bill for the nonexistent pool and we start from scratch?
  - trilbyglens 3y ago
    I bet they are only flagging locations for physical inspection.
    - candiodari 3y ago
      That doesn't sound like French government at all. Plus that'd be monumentally impractical for them (have you seen how big France is -and how inaccessible parts of it can be?). The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. And I bet the recent pension reform is going to make that worse, not better. Government employees physically inspecting anything will result in large scale battles with the public these days. So I would like to add: they won't physically inspect these pools for the simple reason that nobody wants to get killed working for the tax agency in France, and that's exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check.
      - smegger001 3y ago
        thats what helicopters and drones are for
      - kergonath 3y ago
        > That doesn't sound like French government at all. They don’t need to go there physically. They just need to review satellite pictures, do some background work, and send letters. The point is, the AI surfaces dubious cases but in the end it’s a human making the decision. > The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. That might be the reputation amongst people who’ve never been audited. They might be too lenient by default, but they will bite you if they have to. > Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. And I bet the recent pension reform is going to make that worse, not better. It’s difficult to see exactly what you are trying to say here. Maybe try in French, with some sources? > So I would like to add: they won't physically inspect these pools for the simple reason that nobody wants to get killed working for the tax agency in France, and that's exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check. You are out of your bloody mind. They already do audits in person and they will come and check if they suspect some of your declarations are not truthful. Nobody will kill a taxman over something like that. I mean, now you’ve killed a civil servant to avoid paying taxes you should have paid, so you are going to jail, pay a fine, and still pay the taxes. On what planet are you living?
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        > [getting killed is] exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check. Come on. The average tax plus penalty here was 500 Euros. No one is throwing their life away over a 500 Euro tax bill that any simpleton could plainly judge whether a pool does or does not exist at the address.
      - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
        > The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. The reputation of the French tax office is that it is the sole branch of the administration which is actually run correctly. This is not far from the truth imho. > Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. That’s a funny one. My advise is to stop watching Fox News and actually spend some time in France.
  - recursive 3y ago
    I'll bet against that. What were the stakes again?
  - cma 3y ago
    Or the AI just points it out for them to manually verify.
  - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
    The mistake rate and their process are detailed in the article. Please read more than the title.
dorfsmay 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement
- contrarian1234 3y ago
  Thanks! Didn't think it was a new idea, but I didn't know the concept's name "Therefore, the mere fact that a law is selectively enforced against one person and not against another, absent bias or pattern of enforcement against a constitutionally-protected class, is not illegal." I don't think breast size is a protected class - so please carry on officers
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Selective enforcement is one thing, but even perfectly enforced laws can be downright discriminatory. As someone once said: in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
29083011397778 3y ago
> the worse dystopian case (see Russia and a lot of the third world) > a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Per your own example, America currently belongs in the "wors[t] dystopian case... [including] a lot of the third world" where laws are being used to harass those the state does not like. I agree, to an extent, I just don't think the average American sees how far they have to go in terms of equality.

sokoloff 3y ago

> If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. You’ll be happy to learn that France has moved in the direction to comply with your concern here.

candiodari 3y ago
How much do you want to bet that 1) There's a 4-5% mistake rate 2) getting a wrong conclusion of the AI turned back is a 2-year kafkaieske nightmare where you have to front all the money, and even after they admit they're wrong it takes 5 years to get your money back. And then next year you get another tax bill for the nonexistent pool and we start from scratch?
- trilbyglens 3y ago
  I bet they are only flagging locations for physical inspection.
  - candiodari 3y ago
    That doesn't sound like French government at all. Plus that'd be monumentally impractical for them (have you seen how big France is -and how inaccessible parts of it can be?). The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. And I bet the recent pension reform is going to make that worse, not better. Government employees physically inspecting anything will result in large scale battles with the public these days. So I would like to add: they won't physically inspect these pools for the simple reason that nobody wants to get killed working for the tax agency in France, and that's exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check.
    - smegger001 3y ago
      thats what helicopters and drones are for
    - kergonath 3y ago
      > That doesn't sound like French government at all. They don’t need to go there physically. They just need to review satellite pictures, do some background work, and send letters. The point is, the AI surfaces dubious cases but in the end it’s a human making the decision. > The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. That might be the reputation amongst people who’ve never been audited. They might be too lenient by default, but they will bite you if they have to. > Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. And I bet the recent pension reform is going to make that worse, not better. It’s difficult to see exactly what you are trying to say here. Maybe try in French, with some sources? > So I would like to add: they won't physically inspect these pools for the simple reason that nobody wants to get killed working for the tax agency in France, and that's exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check. You are out of your bloody mind. They already do audits in person and they will come and check if they suspect some of your declarations are not truthful. Nobody will kill a taxman over something like that. I mean, now you’ve killed a civil servant to avoid paying taxes you should have paid, so you are going to jail, pay a fine, and still pay the taxes. On what planet are you living?
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      > [getting killed is] exactly what will happen if they go out and physically check. Come on. The average tax plus penalty here was 500 Euros. No one is throwing their life away over a 500 Euro tax bill that any simpleton could plainly judge whether a pool does or does not exist at the address.
    - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
      > The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. The reputation of the French tax office is that it is the sole branch of the administration which is actually run correctly. This is not far from the truth imho. > Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now. That’s a funny one. My advise is to stop watching Fox News and actually spend some time in France.
- recursive 3y ago
  I'll bet against that. What were the stakes again?
- cma 3y ago
  Or the AI just points it out for them to manually verify.
- TheHappyOddish 3y ago
  The mistake rate and their process are detailed in the article. Please read more than the title.

dorfsmay 3y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

contrarian1234 3y ago
Thanks! Didn't think it was a new idea, but I didn't know the concept's name "Therefore, the mere fact that a law is selectively enforced against one person and not against another, absent bias or pattern of enforcement against a constitutionally-protected class, is not illegal." I don't think breast size is a protected class - so please carry on officers
- kergonath 3y ago
  Selective enforcement is one thing, but even perfectly enforced laws can be downright discriminatory. As someone once said: in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.

29083011397778 3y ago

> the worse dystopian case (see Russia and a lot of the third world) > a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Per your own example, America currently belongs in the "wors[t] dystopian case... [including] a lot of the third world" where laws are being used to harass those the state does not like. I agree, to an extent, I just don't think the average American sees how far they have to go in terms of equality.