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To the downvoters: do you have any experience with little kids? As a father of a 2 year old, it is pretty obvious what's wrong with infanticide...

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Well, I am a former embryo and fetus. I was given the opportunity to be born, and so I became pro-life. That seems like a pretty obvious and logical decision.
- spacechild1 3y ago
  Abortion of a 12 week old fetus is in no way comparable to infanticide. That's the point I am trying to make.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    What makes it different? Umbilical cord? Immersed in amniotic fluid? Roundly dehumanized and unpersoned by society?
    - spacechild1 3y ago
      Do you eat meat?
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Not on Fridays, no. For many years I've offered this up as a sacrifice for my little brothers and sisters who are murdered because of a "human right". I find it personally revolting that people would assent to my own murder. I am the product of an unplanned pregnancy, and it is mere happenstance that I was not strangled, torn limb from limb, had my skull crushed, and my spine snipped apart at the nape of the neck, then carefully extracted piece by bloody piece, reassembled in a dish (to make sure that nothing was left behind to infect mom - abortions are "safe"), and dumped in a biological waste bin to be incinerated. I escaped that fate, but others do not, so I abstain from meat on every Friday of the year. I do not understand why you and all the others would not assent to my grisly murder as an infant, as a 50-year-old, or perhaps not even as a feeble and helpless 96-year-old hospital patient, but you would readily take up the speculum and scalpel just because I had an umbilical cord attached.
        spacechild1 3y ago
        Then why are you ok with slaughtering and eating animals that are more sentient than a 12 week old fetus?
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        tu quoque
barry-cotter 3y ago
Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record. Not killing your children was invented by the Egyptians, taken up by the Jews and spread by the Christians, Muslims, presumably other Abrahamic faiths and cultures derived from them. It has not been obvious to the huge majority of people ever born that there was anything wrong with infanticide. If you think it is obviously wrong you might want to make an argument of some kind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
- spacechild1 3y ago
  > Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record That's a non-argument. People did all kinds of horrible things in the past (human sacrifice, cruel corporal punishment, slavery) and yet it is now obvious to us that these things are bad. I think it is safe to say that infanticide is one of the things that we don't need to debate in modern times.
  - barry-cotter 3y ago
    You’re saying that it’s obvious infanticide is wrong. I’m pointing out that most humans ever have disagreed. Then you’re saying it’s obvious again and that it doesn’t need to be debated. Your “argument” is that the current moral fashions of your society are true and that this is obvious to all. At best this is an attempt at persuasion by “Everyone else is doing it and so should you.”
    - spacechild1 3y ago
      Again, the same thing can be said about slavery. In fact, if something is perceived as horrible by most people in current society, I think the burden is on you to explain why and when it is justified. (So far your only argument was that people in the old times did it, which is no argument at all.)
      - barry-cotter 3y ago

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

Well, I am a former embryo and fetus. I was given the opportunity to be born, and so I became pro-life. That seems like a pretty obvious and logical decision.

spacechild1 3y ago
Abortion of a 12 week old fetus is in no way comparable to infanticide. That's the point I am trying to make.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  What makes it different? Umbilical cord? Immersed in amniotic fluid? Roundly dehumanized and unpersoned by society?
  - spacechild1 3y ago
    Do you eat meat?
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Not on Fridays, no. For many years I've offered this up as a sacrifice for my little brothers and sisters who are murdered because of a "human right". I find it personally revolting that people would assent to my own murder. I am the product of an unplanned pregnancy, and it is mere happenstance that I was not strangled, torn limb from limb, had my skull crushed, and my spine snipped apart at the nape of the neck, then carefully extracted piece by bloody piece, reassembled in a dish (to make sure that nothing was left behind to infect mom - abortions are "safe"), and dumped in a biological waste bin to be incinerated. I escaped that fate, but others do not, so I abstain from meat on every Friday of the year. I do not understand why you and all the others would not assent to my grisly murder as an infant, as a 50-year-old, or perhaps not even as a feeble and helpless 96-year-old hospital patient, but you would readily take up the speculum and scalpel just because I had an umbilical cord attached.
      - spacechild1 3y ago
        Then why are you ok with slaughtering and eating animals that are more sentient than a 12 week old fetus?
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        tu quoque

barry-cotter 3y ago

Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record. Not killing your children was invented by the Egyptians, taken up by the Jews and spread by the Christians, Muslims, presumably other Abrahamic faiths and cultures derived from them. It has not been obvious to the huge majority of people ever born that there was anything wrong with infanticide. If you think it is obviously wrong you might want to make an argument of some kind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

spacechild1 3y ago
> Cultures that don’t practice infanticide are the exception in the historical and anthropological record That's a non-argument. People did all kinds of horrible things in the past (human sacrifice, cruel corporal punishment, slavery) and yet it is now obvious to us that these things are bad. I think it is safe to say that infanticide is one of the things that we don't need to debate in modern times.
- barry-cotter 3y ago
  You’re saying that it’s obvious infanticide is wrong. I’m pointing out that most humans ever have disagreed. Then you’re saying it’s obvious again and that it doesn’t need to be debated. Your “argument” is that the current moral fashions of your society are true and that this is obvious to all. At best this is an attempt at persuasion by “Everyone else is doing it and so should you.”
  - spacechild1 3y ago
    Again, the same thing can be said about slavery. In fact, if something is perceived as horrible by most people in current society, I think the burden is on you to explain why and when it is justified. (So far your only argument was that people in the old times did it, which is no argument at all.)
    - barry-cotter 3y ago