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and why would anyone sign-into and use edge.

mhuffman 3y ago
Depending on how you installed windows, logging into Windows is enough to have you logged into Edge (and other MS services) when you open it.
- fernvenue 3y ago
  Edge can still auto login my account from other Microsoft application, even if I'm not login to my Windows devices.
  - l8rlump 3y ago
    Yep, it did this to me and helped itself to the data from my Firefox profile, and presumably uploaded this to MS servers. Great way to obtain data on a person I suppose.
spinchange 3y ago
It has the best (and most reliable) integrated AI-based web experience. The Bing side bar can read what is in the open tab, etc. It's useful but it probably not worth the trade-offs
openplatypus 3y ago
It is fast and well integrated with Windows. There is really no reason to use Chrome on Windows 10/11 these days. I am no Microsoft fanatic but it is useful and convenient for me to use it also on iPad and Android to share bookmarks, send tabs between devices. Is it perfect? Nope. Somehow scammy Microsoft Rewards is enable by default.
- candiodari 3y ago
  * No real ad-blocking plugins * Under control of your employer (spying that you'll actually care about), more so than chrome, and a LOT more than firefox. * Constant changes by the evil empire, never in the interest of the user, including the evil empire that you work for in the case of active directory * Still (imho) doesn't match Google services and syncing in functionality and how well it works * Same browser engine as Chrome, so no real advantage
  - wongarsu 3y ago
    > No real ad-blocking plugins Just install your favorite ad blocker directly from the chrome web store > Constant changes by the evil empire Same problem with Chrome In my eyes edge is mostly equivalent to chrome. Edge has native vertical tabs and slightly better Windows-integration, Chrome slightly better Google-integration. Both are under the control of both your employer and a tech giant with questionable ethics. And both tech giants use their respective platforms to aggressively promote their browser. I guess we could agree that you should use neither.
  - Sakos 3y ago
    Huh? Edge, as you say, is based on Chrome. It has an extensions store where you can get uBlock. You can also get normal Chrome extensions if you want from the Chrome web store.
passwordoops 3y ago
1- the vast majority of people who access a computing device never alter settings that matter, such as browser, location access, etc. Etc. and simply go with the flow. So when these people open Edge (or Chrome for that matter) they likely won't even notice they're logged in, and if they do will either think it's convenient or don't care 2- with the hype and hoopla of ChatGPT, a surprising number of non-tech savvy people heard " Microsoft has AI, Google doesn't", so they'll actively use Edge (and Bing) for the generative AI
Sakos 3y ago
It's the power of defaults. Microsoft goes hard on trying to get you to sign in anywhere in Windows with your account and if you're not careful about which button you press, it'll then use that account for everything MS-related, including Edge.
AJ007 3y ago
I'm still using Firefox and it works great. The tricking people to sign in stuff is nefarious and is a more recent and growing problem. Google even gets away with it through iOS by forcing app logins/"authorization" that then results in the user logged in to Google on Safari. The whole Chrome logging in if someone checks their Gmail is terrible. If your computing experience solely comes from a non-tech role in a corporate work environment where your employer legally owns your devices and they are remotely controlled and monitored, then all of this may seem fairly mundane. Otherwise, it is concerning anyone on hn would think what is going on here is ok or does not need to be actively avoided.
mark_l_watson 3y ago
I do to use Bing+ChatGPT, which I find very helpful for research and generating code. I have also been using CodePilot for over a year. But it is a decision to use these services, and I totally understand some people not wanting to use them. The Center for Humane Technology has good articles and video presentations on good tactics to use tech to your advantage. https://www.humanetech.com/ https://www.humanetech.com/
RIMR 3y ago
I use Edge at work because it suits my needs best. I can log into my work account in the browser, letting me save my work passwords to a trusted account, and search internally using Bing. It also has decent Outlook integration, which is helpful to my workflow. I also love vertical tabs, because I end up managing 100+ tabs at work regularly. I'm eager to see a fully conceived version of this appear in other browsers because it's honestly a game changer. And, not a huge deal, but when you copy a URL from the address bar, it pastes as a formatted link, which is really helpful when you have to do this regularly. It really isn't a bad browser, it's just got poor privacy, which isn't important for me when I'm working. My employer already knows what I'm up to anyway. I use Chrome as a personal browser, so it's nice keeping them completely separate from each other.

Depending on how you installed windows, logging into Windows is enough to have you logged into Edge (and other MS services) when you open it.

fernvenue 3y ago
Edge can still auto login my account from other Microsoft application, even if I'm not login to my Windows devices.
- l8rlump 3y ago
  Yep, it did this to me and helped itself to the data from my Firefox profile, and presumably uploaded this to MS servers. Great way to obtain data on a person I suppose.

spinchange 3y ago

It has the best (and most reliable) integrated AI-based web experience. The Bing side bar can read what is in the open tab, etc. It's useful but it probably not worth the trade-offs

openplatypus 3y ago

It is fast and well integrated with Windows. There is really no reason to use Chrome on Windows 10/11 these days. I am no Microsoft fanatic but it is useful and convenient for me to use it also on iPad and Android to share bookmarks, send tabs between devices. Is it perfect? Nope. Somehow scammy Microsoft Rewards is enable by default.

candiodari 3y ago
* No real ad-blocking plugins * Under control of your employer (spying that you'll actually care about), more so than chrome, and a LOT more than firefox. * Constant changes by the evil empire, never in the interest of the user, including the evil empire that you work for in the case of active directory * Still (imho) doesn't match Google services and syncing in functionality and how well it works * Same browser engine as Chrome, so no real advantage
- wongarsu 3y ago
  > No real ad-blocking plugins Just install your favorite ad blocker directly from the chrome web store > Constant changes by the evil empire Same problem with Chrome In my eyes edge is mostly equivalent to chrome. Edge has native vertical tabs and slightly better Windows-integration, Chrome slightly better Google-integration. Both are under the control of both your employer and a tech giant with questionable ethics. And both tech giants use their respective platforms to aggressively promote their browser. I guess we could agree that you should use neither.
- Sakos 3y ago
  Huh? Edge, as you say, is based on Chrome. It has an extensions store where you can get uBlock. You can also get normal Chrome extensions if you want from the Chrome web store.

passwordoops 3y ago

1- the vast majority of people who access a computing device never alter settings that matter, such as browser, location access, etc. Etc. and simply go with the flow. So when these people open Edge (or Chrome for that matter) they likely won't even notice they're logged in, and if they do will either think it's convenient or don't care 2- with the hype and hoopla of ChatGPT, a surprising number of non-tech savvy people heard " Microsoft has AI, Google doesn't", so they'll actively use Edge (and Bing) for the generative AI

Sakos 3y ago

It's the power of defaults. Microsoft goes hard on trying to get you to sign in anywhere in Windows with your account and if you're not careful about which button you press, it'll then use that account for everything MS-related, including Edge.

AJ007 3y ago

I'm still using Firefox and it works great. The tricking people to sign in stuff is nefarious and is a more recent and growing problem. Google even gets away with it through iOS by forcing app logins/"authorization" that then results in the user logged in to Google on Safari. The whole Chrome logging in if someone checks their Gmail is terrible. If your computing experience solely comes from a non-tech role in a corporate work environment where your employer legally owns your devices and they are remotely controlled and monitored, then all of this may seem fairly mundane. Otherwise, it is concerning anyone on hn would think what is going on here is ok or does not need to be actively avoided.

mark_l_watson 3y ago

I do to use Bing+ChatGPT, which I find very helpful for research and generating code. I have also been using CodePilot for over a year. But it is a decision to use these services, and I totally understand some people not wanting to use them. The Center for Humane Technology has good articles and video presentations on good tactics to use tech to your advantage. https://www.humanetech.com/ https://www.humanetech.com/

RIMR 3y ago

I use Edge at work because it suits my needs best. I can log into my work account in the browser, letting me save my work passwords to a trusted account, and search internally using Bing. It also has decent Outlook integration, which is helpful to my workflow. I also love vertical tabs, because I end up managing 100+ tabs at work regularly. I'm eager to see a fully conceived version of this appear in other browsers because it's honestly a game changer. And, not a huge deal, but when you copy a URL from the address bar, it pastes as a formatted link, which is really helpful when you have to do this regularly. It really isn't a bad browser, it's just got poor privacy, which isn't important for me when I'm working. My employer already knows what I'm up to anyway. I use Chrome as a personal browser, so it's nice keeping them completely separate from each other.