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I'm sorry, but I use color to locate things. This, to me, is a disaster. If this isn't a problem for other people, fine, but it's a problem to me. A better solu

I'm sorry, but I use color to locate things. This, to me, is a disaster. If this isn't a problem for other people, fine, but it's a problem to me. A better solution would have been to use less color and desaturated tones rather than simply going to full on black and white, which serves only to rob the IDE of potential visual cues. This is like using a cannon to kill a bird. Just because they overcolorized VS2010 for no apparent reason doesn't mean they need to overcompensate in the opposite direction. I can't use this until someone comes up with color-based icons for it.

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- WayneDB 15y ago
  So...you're wrong on most accounts. VS 2010 is plenty fast and plenty of people build plenty of cross platform apps and web apps using Visual Studio. Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because hating Microsoft and all that "ghastly" proprietary software is just so passe. It's boring and nobody cares that you think proprietary software is evil.
  - AutoCorrect 15y ago
    fast is a relative term. If we're talking about VS 2010, then it's fast versus building an IDE with ed on your own. Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because loving Microsoft and all that proprietary software is just so old-school. It's boring and nobody cares that you think free software is evil.
    - WayneDB 15y ago
      Right, except nothing that I said conveyed any sort of gushing "love" for Microsoft or proprietary versus any other software. Listing "it's proprietary" immediately before "it's slow" OTOH? Yeah, it's pretty telling where that comment is coming from. If you don't like it, why come out of your way to make a negative comment about it unless you're just being a hater?
      - mattgreenrocks 15y ago
        > If you don't like it, why come out of your way to make a negative comment about it unless you're just being a hater? Intellectual honesty cannot coexist alongside zealotry.
- gm 15y ago
  This is not true. You _can_ develop programs that only work on Windows, but you can also choose your technologies carefully and make .NET programs that work on Mono. you can code stuff targeting other languages and so on. It's developer's choice whether or not to code portable.
- davidjade 15y ago
  I work everyday writing code for iOS apps using VS. I write code and compile, run unit tests, etc... in VS. I then use the same project and source files, load them into MonoDevelop and compile using MonoTouch on my Mac to generate native apps.
dkersten 15y ago
Agreed. I use colours and shapes to at-a-glance distinguish between icons. If there are more than two or three icons two similarly coloured side-by-side, I find it pretty hard to tell them apart without having to think about it.
MetallicCloud 15y ago
Completely agree. The new design looks horrible. It seems they've removed any use of shading/colour to let you know whats happening to not 'overload the user'. Just reducing the contrast would have been enough. And if there wasn't a direct comparison between the coloured icons and the b/w ones, I would have no idea what the b/w ones would do.
sixothree 15y ago
Good or bad, I use color to navigate as well.
brusch 15y ago
I am really no person who digs colourful designs - but these screenshots look just depressing for me. I never knew how much I liked those old icons.
rbanffy 15y ago
Suggestion: you may want to explore keyboard shortcuts.
forgotAgain 15y ago
I wonder if Microsoft isn't doing this as a subtle way to get developers mindset away from "old style" window's applications and into a Metro mindset.
- mattmanser 15y ago
  I doubt it, it's just a redesign by people who aren't very good. Metro, otoh, looks good. Even the blue they've chosen conflicts with the gray. It just looks shit.
Shorel 15y ago
In my case I love the dark theme. A better solution is not to compromise as you propose, a better solution is to make this easily customizable, so both of us can use what we prefer.

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WayneDB 15y ago
So...you're wrong on most accounts. VS 2010 is plenty fast and plenty of people build plenty of cross platform apps and web apps using Visual Studio. Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because hating Microsoft and all that "ghastly" proprietary software is just so passe. It's boring and nobody cares that you think proprietary software is evil.
- AutoCorrect 15y ago
  fast is a relative term. If we're talking about VS 2010, then it's fast versus building an IDE with ed on your own. Honestly, I think you should really just consider checking your attitude and your politics at the door because loving Microsoft and all that proprietary software is just so old-school. It's boring and nobody cares that you think free software is evil.
  - WayneDB 15y ago
    Right, except nothing that I said conveyed any sort of gushing "love" for Microsoft or proprietary versus any other software. Listing "it's proprietary" immediately before "it's slow" OTOH? Yeah, it's pretty telling where that comment is coming from. If you don't like it, why come out of your way to make a negative comment about it unless you're just being a hater?
    - mattgreenrocks 15y ago
      > If you don't like it, why come out of your way to make a negative comment about it unless you're just being a hater? Intellectual honesty cannot coexist alongside zealotry.
gm 15y ago
This is not true. You _can_ develop programs that only work on Windows, but you can also choose your technologies carefully and make .NET programs that work on Mono. you can code stuff targeting other languages and so on. It's developer's choice whether or not to code portable.
davidjade 15y ago
I work everyday writing code for iOS apps using VS. I write code and compile, run unit tests, etc... in VS. I then use the same project and source files, load them into MonoDevelop and compile using MonoTouch on my Mac to generate native apps.

dkersten 15y ago

Agreed. I use colours and shapes to at-a-glance distinguish between icons. If there are more than two or three icons two similarly coloured side-by-side, I find it pretty hard to tell them apart without having to think about it.

MetallicCloud 15y ago

Completely agree. The new design looks horrible. It seems they've removed any use of shading/colour to let you know whats happening to not 'overload the user'. Just reducing the contrast would have been enough. And if there wasn't a direct comparison between the coloured icons and the b/w ones, I would have no idea what the b/w ones would do.

sixothree 15y ago

Good or bad, I use color to navigate as well.

brusch 15y ago

I am really no person who digs colourful designs - but these screenshots look just depressing for me. I never knew how much I liked those old icons.

rbanffy 15y ago

Suggestion: you may want to explore keyboard shortcuts.

forgotAgain 15y ago

I wonder if Microsoft isn't doing this as a subtle way to get developers mindset away from "old style" window's applications and into a Metro mindset.

mattmanser 15y ago
I doubt it, it's just a redesign by people who aren't very good. Metro, otoh, looks good. Even the blue they've chosen conflicts with the gray. It just looks shit.

Shorel 15y ago

In my case I love the dark theme. A better solution is not to compromise as you propose, a better solution is to make this easily customizable, so both of us can use what we prefer.