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Looking forward to the next Jordan Peterson lecture on how "the practice of regular nude exercise together in the gym enhanced group coherence among these men,

Looking forward to the next Jordan Peterson lecture on how "the practice of regular nude exercise together in the gym enhanced group coherence among these men, extending bonds cemented in youth initiatory contexts forward throughout the lives of adult citizens." Clearly this is the origin story of idealistic Judeo-Christian manhood concepts, born from the crucible of Greco-Roman culture... People of the messianic bent always want to hold up the mythical perfect past, but when you dig into the details, it's always problematic... See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece

sirspacey 3y ago
To quote TRON: Legacy “nailed it.”
shakil 3y ago
I'm no admirer of Jordan Peterson, but we don't have to speculate what the religious reaction to this nudity would have been. The Jews were there among the Greeks when all this was happening, and they didn't like it at all [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity
- jmopp 3y ago
  One thing to also note is that the Jews would very much have stood out from pagan Greeks were they to run around naked, due to being circumcised.
- watwut 3y ago
  Yeah, but Peterson is all about speculating and not about historical research. If you are interested in facts, you don't turn to people like him.
resolutebat 3y ago
The article is quite clear that "vast swaths of people who lived in an ancient Greek city – women, local residents who were not born in Greece, foreigners, and poor men – were largely excluded from athletics".
irrational 3y ago
Is it? The article seemed to say that a big part of being nude was to foster homosexual relationships between adult men and young boys as a means of training those boys to take their rightful place as elite adult men who then in turn did the same thing to other young boys. That seems quite different than the “idealistic Judeo-Christian manhood concept”.
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Eumenes 3y ago
And people of the revisionist bent consistently project the virtues of current age into introspection of the past

sirspacey 3y ago

To quote TRON: Legacy “nailed it.”

shakil 3y ago

I'm no admirer of Jordan Peterson, but we don't have to speculate what the religious reaction to this nudity would have been. The Jews were there among the Greeks when all this was happening, and they didn't like it at all [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity

jmopp 3y ago
One thing to also note is that the Jews would very much have stood out from pagan Greeks were they to run around naked, due to being circumcised.
watwut 3y ago
Yeah, but Peterson is all about speculating and not about historical research. If you are interested in facts, you don't turn to people like him.

resolutebat 3y ago

The article is quite clear that "vast swaths of people who lived in an ancient Greek city – women, local residents who were not born in Greece, foreigners, and poor men – were largely excluded from athletics".

irrational 3y ago

Is it? The article seemed to say that a big part of being nude was to foster homosexual relationships between adult men and young boys as a means of training those boys to take their rightful place as elite adult men who then in turn did the same thing to other young boys. That seems quite different than the “idealistic Judeo-Christian manhood concept”.

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Eumenes 3y ago

And people of the revisionist bent consistently project the virtues of current age into introspection of the past