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Depends on what Xi is planning over Taiwan, that is where things get complicated. They are all trying to build alliances for that contingency.

Lio 3y ago
It also depends on if Xi is planning to take Primorsky Krai from Russia in the future or not. When Russia celebrated its 160 year anniversary of taking Vladivostok from China, there were descenting voices in Beijing calling to reverse another so called "humiliation". Countries are allied until they are not. Putin signed a treaty to protect Ukraine, it didn't stop him from attacking them in 2014 or escalating that again last year.
- lenkite 3y ago
  "Every country protects in established order of the rights of its citizens living in another country, in accordance with commitments to documents of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and other universally recognized principles and norms of international law, agreements within the Commonwealth of Independent States." Ukraine stopped following the contents of that treaty after the US supported Maidan coup.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    Ukraine stopped following the contents of that treaty after the US supported Maidan coup. Sounds like the Ukrainian people should have harbored a lot of resentment against the US for interfering with their democratic process, if true. Was that the case? In any event, what concern was this of Russia's? Russia has problems of its own, and for a nuclear-armed nation, external threats are a long way down the list. Maybe they should worry more about how to improve their own country and less about how to wreck everybody else's.
    - lenkite 3y ago
      "Sounds like the Ukrainian people should have harbored a lot of resentment against the US for interfering with their democratic process, if true. Was that the case?" Of-course, why did you think Donetsk and Luhansk regions held secession referendums in 2014 ? "Maybe they should worry more about how to improve their own country and less about how to wreck everybody else's." Why would Russia not interfere in their immediate neighbourhood in a nation filled with a large number of Russian ethnic people who were turned into second class pariahs thanks to US interference ? Also..you must be joking about wrecking? Maybe the US should follow that advice first ? Pot/Kettle ? Look at Libya - a nation that used to have free healthcare, electricity and subsidized housing. Now brought to the stone age - famine and extreme poverty - all thanks to the manoeuvrings of the US statement department and NATO bombings.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Of-course, why did you think Donetsk and Luhansk regions held secession referendums in 2014 ? Because there were Russian soldiers holding a gun to their back forcing it. Igor Girkin who was a FSB officer and one of the former leaders of the DPR or LPR armies recently admitted it was mostly Russians and wasn’t really a civil war. > Why would Russia not interfere in their immediate neighbourhood in a nation filled with a large number of Russian ethnic people who were turned into second class pariahs thanks to US interference ? Because this never happened, this is a persistent myth spouted by people like Putin to justify the rape and torture of Ukraine.
        lenkite 3y ago
        "Because this never happened, this is a persistent myth spouted by people like Putin to justify the rape and torture of Ukraine." A "myth" recorded in Ukraine's laws by passing bills like 5670-d that effectively made the Russian language illegal in most aspects of public life. Doing so in a multi-ethnic nation in any other part of the world would have raised howls of fascism and anti-democracy by the US mass media and state dept and extensive condemnations in the UN. But hey, its Ukraine - a promised NATO partner - who cares about the folks affected ?
  - fullspectrumdev 3y ago
    > US supported Maidan coup. What a load of bollocks. The Ukrainian people made a choice to topple their corrupt government and take control of their countries destiny. Which is an inalienable right.
    - lenkite 3y ago
      Yeah, with a truckload of support and sponsorship from Victoria Nuland - the shining [Coup Lady] of the US state department - who also picked the post coup leaders. She wasn't just involved in Ukraine. Was involved in Libya as well - gleefully cheering on when Gadaffi and his grandsons were killed one by one by NATO forces. "What a load of bollocks." Keep sticking your head into the sand.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Yeah, with a truckload of support and sponsorship from Victoria Nuland - the shining [Coup Lady] of the US state department - who also picked the post coup leaders. You got any evidence of this that doesn’t stink of Russian propaganda?.
        hackandthink 3y ago
        This is about Nuland's interference: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-di...
        CamperBob2 3y ago
        My favorite part was when Victoria Nuland poisoned Yuschenko with dioxin and turned him into an orange version of the Yellow Bastard from Sin City, years before orange skin became en vogue in American political circles. Also, there was that time when Nuland went on a hunting "vacation" in Donbas and bagged a Boeing, then hotfooted it across the Russian border with an innocent twinkle in her eye. And don't forget the time Nuland massacred dozens of protesters who objected to Yanukovych placing loyalty to Moscow over loyalty to his own country. That lady gets around.

Lio 3y ago

It also depends on if Xi is planning to take Primorsky Krai from Russia in the future or not. When Russia celebrated its 160 year anniversary of taking Vladivostok from China, there were descenting voices in Beijing calling to reverse another so called "humiliation". Countries are allied until they are not. Putin signed a treaty to protect Ukraine, it didn't stop him from attacking them in 2014 or escalating that again last year.

lenkite 3y ago
"Every country protects in established order of the rights of its citizens living in another country, in accordance with commitments to documents of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and other universally recognized principles and norms of international law, agreements within the Commonwealth of Independent States." Ukraine stopped following the contents of that treaty after the US supported Maidan coup.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Ukraine stopped following the contents of that treaty after the US supported Maidan coup. Sounds like the Ukrainian people should have harbored a lot of resentment against the US for interfering with their democratic process, if true. Was that the case? In any event, what concern was this of Russia's? Russia has problems of its own, and for a nuclear-armed nation, external threats are a long way down the list. Maybe they should worry more about how to improve their own country and less about how to wreck everybody else's.
  - lenkite 3y ago
    "Sounds like the Ukrainian people should have harbored a lot of resentment against the US for interfering with their democratic process, if true. Was that the case?" Of-course, why did you think Donetsk and Luhansk regions held secession referendums in 2014 ? "Maybe they should worry more about how to improve their own country and less about how to wreck everybody else's." Why would Russia not interfere in their immediate neighbourhood in a nation filled with a large number of Russian ethnic people who were turned into second class pariahs thanks to US interference ? Also..you must be joking about wrecking? Maybe the US should follow that advice first ? Pot/Kettle ? Look at Libya - a nation that used to have free healthcare, electricity and subsidized housing. Now brought to the stone age - famine and extreme poverty - all thanks to the manoeuvrings of the US statement department and NATO bombings.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Of-course, why did you think Donetsk and Luhansk regions held secession referendums in 2014 ? Because there were Russian soldiers holding a gun to their back forcing it. Igor Girkin who was a FSB officer and one of the former leaders of the DPR or LPR armies recently admitted it was mostly Russians and wasn’t really a civil war. > Why would Russia not interfere in their immediate neighbourhood in a nation filled with a large number of Russian ethnic people who were turned into second class pariahs thanks to US interference ? Because this never happened, this is a persistent myth spouted by people like Putin to justify the rape and torture of Ukraine.
      - lenkite 3y ago
        "Because this never happened, this is a persistent myth spouted by people like Putin to justify the rape and torture of Ukraine." A "myth" recorded in Ukraine's laws by passing bills like 5670-d that effectively made the Russian language illegal in most aspects of public life. Doing so in a multi-ethnic nation in any other part of the world would have raised howls of fascism and anti-democracy by the US mass media and state dept and extensive condemnations in the UN. But hey, its Ukraine - a promised NATO partner - who cares about the folks affected ?
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  > US supported Maidan coup. What a load of bollocks. The Ukrainian people made a choice to topple their corrupt government and take control of their countries destiny. Which is an inalienable right.
  - lenkite 3y ago
    Yeah, with a truckload of support and sponsorship from Victoria Nuland - the shining [Coup Lady] of the US state department - who also picked the post coup leaders. She wasn't just involved in Ukraine. Was involved in Libya as well - gleefully cheering on when Gadaffi and his grandsons were killed one by one by NATO forces. "What a load of bollocks." Keep sticking your head into the sand.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Yeah, with a truckload of support and sponsorship from Victoria Nuland - the shining [Coup Lady] of the US state department - who also picked the post coup leaders. You got any evidence of this that doesn’t stink of Russian propaganda?.
      - hackandthink 3y ago
        This is about Nuland's interference: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-di...
        CamperBob2 3y ago
        My favorite part was when Victoria Nuland poisoned Yuschenko with dioxin and turned him into an orange version of the Yellow Bastard from Sin City, years before orange skin became en vogue in American political circles. Also, there was that time when Nuland went on a hunting "vacation" in Donbas and bagged a Boeing, then hotfooted it across the Russian border with an innocent twinkle in her eye. And don't forget the time Nuland massacred dozens of protesters who objected to Yanukovych placing loyalty to Moscow over loyalty to his own country. That lady gets around.