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I agree with your criticism and should have called out Malaysia's multiculturalism instead of going with the (wrong) implication expressed by where I asked that
by hayst4ck 3y ago
I agree with your criticism and should have called out Malaysia's multiculturalism instead of going with the (wrong) implication expressed by where I asked that question; that in Malaysia ethnicity = nationality.
FWIW, my experience of Malaysia, admittedly as very much an outsider, is that it is multiple ethnicities living together, rather than a society bound by a set of shared values so I would assume the primary lens of politics is still ethnicity. Are various ethnicities vying for dominance, or are people vying for specific ideals? When "Indian, Chinese and Bumi" look at each other do they first experience "us" or do they first experience "them?"
America is dealing with these problems and it would be charitable to say that America is a values first country, although I think America is doing better than most. My experience is that Malaysia is probably doing the best in Asia.
> There isn't typically "founding father" hero worship and the same ideological cohesion as in the United States
That touches on the fundamental idea I am trying to convey (the one I am conveying much much much more poorly than the article I linked).
Are people deifying a "founding father" or are they deifying the ideals for which they stood? Do they engage with their history (of having founding fathers and what they did) or their values (influenced by and reasoned about by their founding fathers).
> I've met many minorities in China that would be confused and maybe offended if you suggested they weren't Chinese
Are they experiencing being Chinese through sharing the Chinese history, or are they being Chinese through sharing Chinese values? Could black people go to China and share those values and experiencing being Chinese or does the fact that black people do not share Chinese history make them ineligible to be Chinese?
- contrarian1234 3y ago> Are they experiencing being Chinese through sharing the Chinese history, or are they being Chinese through sharing Chinese values? I don't think that'd be a meaningful distinction for most people. The history is deeply intertwined with the values > Could black people go to China and share those values and experiencing being Chinese or does the fact that black people do not share Chinese history I'm actually not quite sure what "share history" really means in practical terms. Most people don't in a personal capacity connect with historical events.. But the reason you don't see black people "become Chinese" is mostly because the culture is basically too big and deep to integrate with. Maybe a rabid sinophile could learn to live like a local - but that's so exceedingly rare that it'd always be a novelty. Europeans often joke that America doesn't have culture and history , and the reality is that it's pretty bare bones and you can "catch up". Western individualism is easy to swallow and for the rest we're pretty flexible. To give you a more concrete motivating counterexample. I've met American born Chinese in Taiwan - locals always view them as "other" bc they didn't grow up immersed in the culture and history and its always obvious. They ethnically match, but they aren't local