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> You can still say whatever you want online. This is definitely not true anymore, but if I cite examples I will as always get flagged by people assuming I sup

> You can still say whatever you want online. This is definitely not true anymore, but if I cite examples I will as always get flagged by people assuming I support said people/communities. The age of being able to say whatever you like online is dead when your ability to even host your own site can be removed.

u801e 3y ago
> This is definitely not true anymore If it's political, you can still post it to alt.politics on usenet and not have any issues with any central authority.
troad 3y ago
> This is definitely not true anymore, but if I cite examples I will as always get flagged by people assuming I support said people/communities. You can say whatever you want on servers you control, just as you always could. You can't post obscene or extremist content on other people's mainstream platforms, but that's always been the case. Reddit / Twitter / etc are really no different from AOL / CompuServe / etc decades ago in this respect. The difference is that the former are now orders of magnitude larger than the latter ever were, so it feels more painful to give those audiences up. It's a cliché, but you're not entitled to an audience, and you're certainly not entitled to Reddit's or Twitter's audience, particularly if you get in the way of their corporate aims of serving mind-numbing ads over blandly inoffensive content to placid masses. You can now, as you could always, try to build your own audience. It won't be easy, but it never has been.
- BizarreByte 3y ago
  > You can say whatever you want on servers you control, just as you always could. Increasingly not true, because you can never control all the services you have to use. Servers are one thing, but you still have to rely on ISPs, cert providers, payment processors, and all that other good stuff. > You can now, as you could always, try to build your own audience I'm not speaking of Reddit or Twitter, I'm talking about a fairly controversial website, Kiwifarms. That site is proof enough of what I'm claiming. The internet isn't what it once was and the "create your own" argument ignores the realities of keeping a site online and accessible.

u801e 3y ago

> This is definitely not true anymore If it's political, you can still post it to alt.politics on usenet and not have any issues with any central authority.

troad 3y ago

> This is definitely not true anymore, but if I cite examples I will as always get flagged by people assuming I support said people/communities. You can say whatever you want on servers you control, just as you always could. You can't post obscene or extremist content on other people's mainstream platforms, but that's always been the case. Reddit / Twitter / etc are really no different from AOL / CompuServe / etc decades ago in this respect. The difference is that the former are now orders of magnitude larger than the latter ever were, so it feels more painful to give those audiences up. It's a cliché, but you're not entitled to an audience, and you're certainly not entitled to Reddit's or Twitter's audience, particularly if you get in the way of their corporate aims of serving mind-numbing ads over blandly inoffensive content to placid masses. You can now, as you could always, try to build your own audience. It won't be easy, but it never has been.

BizarreByte 3y ago
> You can say whatever you want on servers you control, just as you always could. Increasingly not true, because you can never control all the services you have to use. Servers are one thing, but you still have to rely on ISPs, cert providers, payment processors, and all that other good stuff. > You can now, as you could always, try to build your own audience I'm not speaking of Reddit or Twitter, I'm talking about a fairly controversial website, Kiwifarms. That site is proof enough of what I'm claiming. The internet isn't what it once was and the "create your own" argument ignores the realities of keeping a site online and accessible.