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Yes please! I got called lazy as a kid since I had trouble getting up at 5:30am daily so I could walk to school. My generation is already fucked, but maybe we c

Yes please! I got called lazy as a kid since I had trouble getting up at 5:30am daily so I could walk to school. My generation is already fucked, but maybe we can fix things for the next one. EDIT: and my school district was staggered the wrong direction. High school started earliest, then middle school, then primary school was latest. That's backwards from how it should have been, if anyone in my city had understood how the circadian rhythm changes during adolescence.

dorkwood 3y ago
My father used to throw a glass of water on me if I tried to sleep in on the weekends. Twenty years later, I think my brain is still trying to catch up on that lost sleep.
- gpspake 3y ago
  That sounds pretty terrible.. My dad installed a little mini school bell next to my bed with a button he could push from downstairs. I used to hate it and do all sorts of things to disable it. Recently, I was visiting and I pushed the button and it still worked. As a dad, I had a little moment of realizing how hilarious it is in hindsight. Not sure if I'd feel the same way about the water.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Same glass of water from Dad here, although it was on weekdays, when I could hardly stand to face another day of school. I had trouble adapting to an adult sleep schedule from a very early age, and had some embarrassing episodes, as well as weird stuff like slipping into a dry bathtub late at night because I wanted to read a book. In high school, I began checking out, and my depression was chronic and major. I had a "girlfriend" (who was abusing me) so I stayed up late at night on the phone or visiting her. I was falling asleep and falling behind in classes. My parents were beside themselves. It didn't get any better.
cool_dude85 3y ago
>High school started earliest, then middle school, then primary school was latest. That's backwards from how it should have been, if anyone in my city had understood how the circadian rhythm changes during adolescence. The explanation I always heard for this structure, very common in the US, is to allow for after school jobs for high schoolers.
- surge 3y ago
  Weirdly teachers and the education system are some of the most anti-science when it comes to how they structure anything, they seem to ignore all recent discoveries about neurological development and refuse to integrate it into their degrees and certifications and the only changes administrations are willing to make are more what benefits them and the teachers (making kids take work home rather than doing it in class and guiding them), not the students.
  - batiudrami 3y ago
    An observation from my parents (who are now retired but were both career teachers/school administrators) is that for many teachers their entire life is spent in a school or uni, without a lot of "real world workplace experience". As such many teachers can be very rigid in how they expect the world to be and their acceptance of change.
- themerone 3y ago
  That's one of 3 explanations I've heard. #2 is to make time for after school sports. #3 is so that teens can be home to watch their younger siblings.
  - ElfinTrousers 3y ago
    The real reason is #4: it's simpler for the school, as they don't have to run several different bus services.
    - themerone 3y ago
emodendroket 3y ago
I figured they did this because it’s desirable for families to have older siblings home earlier.
Beltalowda 3y ago
The conflation between "not a morning person" and "lazy" is completely ridiculous, and seems to prevail mostly in countries with a "protestant work ethic" background. I've literally been fired from jobs where I was one of the better performers for the singular reason for struggling to be there at 8am every day, and where this didn't matter at all for the position if I started at 8am or 10am (for some positions it obviously does matter). That I often worked longer than many others didn't seem to matter; people take it as a marker and that's that. 5:30am is utterly ridiculous; that's just the middle of the night.
- recursive 3y ago
  > 5:30am is utterly ridiculous; that's just the middle of the night. There's actually a time that's generally closest to the middle of the night as measured by the start and end of the night. In fact, it's shortened from that very phrase "middle of the night". It's called midnight. In summer around here, 5:30am is approximately the end of the night, as measured by the sun.

dorkwood 3y ago

My father used to throw a glass of water on me if I tried to sleep in on the weekends. Twenty years later, I think my brain is still trying to catch up on that lost sleep.

gpspake 3y ago
That sounds pretty terrible.. My dad installed a little mini school bell next to my bed with a button he could push from downstairs. I used to hate it and do all sorts of things to disable it. Recently, I was visiting and I pushed the button and it still worked. As a dad, I had a little moment of realizing how hilarious it is in hindsight. Not sure if I'd feel the same way about the water.
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Same glass of water from Dad here, although it was on weekdays, when I could hardly stand to face another day of school. I had trouble adapting to an adult sleep schedule from a very early age, and had some embarrassing episodes, as well as weird stuff like slipping into a dry bathtub late at night because I wanted to read a book. In high school, I began checking out, and my depression was chronic and major. I had a "girlfriend" (who was abusing me) so I stayed up late at night on the phone or visiting her. I was falling asleep and falling behind in classes. My parents were beside themselves. It didn't get any better.

cool_dude85 3y ago

>High school started earliest, then middle school, then primary school was latest. That's backwards from how it should have been, if anyone in my city had understood how the circadian rhythm changes during adolescence. The explanation I always heard for this structure, very common in the US, is to allow for after school jobs for high schoolers.

surge 3y ago
Weirdly teachers and the education system are some of the most anti-science when it comes to how they structure anything, they seem to ignore all recent discoveries about neurological development and refuse to integrate it into their degrees and certifications and the only changes administrations are willing to make are more what benefits them and the teachers (making kids take work home rather than doing it in class and guiding them), not the students.
- batiudrami 3y ago
  An observation from my parents (who are now retired but were both career teachers/school administrators) is that for many teachers their entire life is spent in a school or uni, without a lot of "real world workplace experience". As such many teachers can be very rigid in how they expect the world to be and their acceptance of change.
themerone 3y ago
That's one of 3 explanations I've heard. #2 is to make time for after school sports. #3 is so that teens can be home to watch their younger siblings.
- ElfinTrousers 3y ago
  The real reason is #4: it's simpler for the school, as they don't have to run several different bus services.
  - themerone 3y ago

emodendroket 3y ago

I figured they did this because it’s desirable for families to have older siblings home earlier.

Beltalowda 3y ago

The conflation between "not a morning person" and "lazy" is completely ridiculous, and seems to prevail mostly in countries with a "protestant work ethic" background. I've literally been fired from jobs where I was one of the better performers for the singular reason for struggling to be there at 8am every day, and where this didn't matter at all for the position if I started at 8am or 10am (for some positions it obviously does matter). That I often worked longer than many others didn't seem to matter; people take it as a marker and that's that. 5:30am is utterly ridiculous; that's just the middle of the night.

recursive 3y ago
> 5:30am is utterly ridiculous; that's just the middle of the night. There's actually a time that's generally closest to the middle of the night as measured by the start and end of the night. In fact, it's shortened from that very phrase "middle of the night". It's called midnight. In summer around here, 5:30am is approximately the end of the night, as measured by the sun.