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If the concern mentioned in this article of "Americans can view sensitive data on European citizens," they should just go the route China did - it hosts its own

If the concern mentioned in this article of "Americans can view sensitive data on European citizens," they should just go the route China did - it hosts its own version of AWS that's pretty walled off, from what I know.

asciimike 3y ago
China was able to pressure the west to do so because western companies: - "need" to operate in China - The Chinese government requires majority state ownership of enterprises I don't think the conditions are the same in Europe, especially given the historical precedents of Safe Harbor/Privacy Shield/etc.
niederman 3y ago
Well, yeah, that's what evroc is aiming to be.
- electroly 3y ago
  China has literally AWS, though, not just something similar. All the same services, just with a CCP official looking over your shoulder and a Chinese company operating it.
  - eyilmaz 3y ago
    Not really all the same services.. there is a ton of them missing in CN AWS. It is like few years behind..
    - electroly 3y ago
      True enough, but how many services is a completely new European startup going to have?
  - cavisne 3y ago
    Not literally though, it’s run by some company that is not Amazon.
cavisne 3y ago
I feel like that’s exactly what will happen, and this company would be well placed to benefit. Basically some European company licenses the “AWS” stack and follows instructions to build and operate the data center. Works in China, and even more so with the various government regions. Europe is basically building the Great Firewall slowly and through committee, they’ll end up in the same spot.
re-thc 3y ago
> they should just go the route China did - it hosts its own version of AWS that's pretty walled off, from what I know Wouldn't count that as the route China did. China forces all companies to have local ownership. It has nothing to do with the data. At least it wasn't the intent. They have actual local clouds that are popular from Alibaba, Tencent, JD and many other big names.

asciimike 3y ago

China was able to pressure the west to do so because western companies: - "need" to operate in China - The Chinese government requires majority state ownership of enterprises I don't think the conditions are the same in Europe, especially given the historical precedents of Safe Harbor/Privacy Shield/etc.

niederman 3y ago

Well, yeah, that's what evroc is aiming to be.

electroly 3y ago
China has literally AWS, though, not just something similar. All the same services, just with a CCP official looking over your shoulder and a Chinese company operating it.
- eyilmaz 3y ago
  Not really all the same services.. there is a ton of them missing in CN AWS. It is like few years behind..
  - electroly 3y ago
    True enough, but how many services is a completely new European startup going to have?
- cavisne 3y ago
  Not literally though, it’s run by some company that is not Amazon.

cavisne 3y ago

I feel like that’s exactly what will happen, and this company would be well placed to benefit. Basically some European company licenses the “AWS” stack and follows instructions to build and operate the data center. Works in China, and even more so with the various government regions. Europe is basically building the Great Firewall slowly and through committee, they’ll end up in the same spot.

re-thc 3y ago

> they should just go the route China did - it hosts its own version of AWS that's pretty walled off, from what I know Wouldn't count that as the route China did. China forces all companies to have local ownership. It has nothing to do with the data. At least it wasn't the intent. They have actual local clouds that are popular from Alibaba, Tencent, JD and many other big names.