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https://join-lemmy.org/ https://join-lemmy.org/ Lemmy is a federated Reddit clone. It already works and is available. As far as I know currently the best alter

by qznc 3y ago

https://join-lemmy.org/ https://join-lemmy.org/ Lemmy is a federated Reddit clone. It already works and is available. As far as I know currently the best alternative. Please, join a smaller instance currently. The biggest ones are already overloaded.

TylerE 3y ago
I wish there was something else. For building a coherent community federation is a bug not a feature.
- qznc 3y ago
  Federation makes it easier for users to join. If you don’t need that, there are plenty self-hosted alternatives. For example, HN itself.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    How exactly? Ever federated project has all this faff about "which instance should I use?". How is that possibly easier.44
    - rainonmoon 3y ago
      Just join one. Portability is inherent to the software. If you don't like it, move to another one.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        Yea, extra steps. Confusion. Uncertainty. The exact opposite of easier.
        rainonmoon 3y ago
        Registering for a website is not something most people find so mystifying. Short of being willfully obtuse, I would imagine most people who express discontent with online communities could exert the most cursory of efforts to understand how to do it. Typically it involves visiting a URL and then typing in an email address and a password. Please pass this on if you come across anyone struggling to comprehend it.
        mcluck 3y ago
        Getting into a federated space brings a lot of questions for normal people. Why this instance? Why not this instance? Can I only join one? What if my friends join a different one? This one only has 100 people, is it weird if I join? This one has 1,000,000 million, isn't that basically Reddit/Twitter/whatever? These are the sorts of questions that come to mind for normal people. By the time they've asked this pile of questions they've already decided it's not worth the hassle of finding the answers
        rainonmoon 3y ago
        As people positioned to understand this stuff, we have a duty to explain it to people if we believe it will have a positive impact on society. I'm not oblivious to the fact that lots of people have lots of questions about decentralised social media, I'm saying the answers can be very simple. That should be enough to realise that the fatalism some people seem to experience in the face of this new technology only exposes their own intellectual laziness -- not the confusion of "normal people" and not the insurmountable complexity of that technology.
        TylerE 3y ago
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    - qznc 3y ago
      Here is how the comparison looks to me: Assume you are a HN user and you heard about this interesting lobsters community. Case 1: Different website, create an account there. Case 2: ActivityPub vision, search for !lobsters, click join Case 3: ActivityPub now, go to website, copy URL into your own instance, search returns nothing, try again minutes later, join. I fully agree that Lemmy is currently not easier (case 3). Users understand multiple accounts (case 1) but managing accounts, they do not. I belief eventually the Fediverse will be easiest (case 2).
_x14i 3y ago
The political views of some of the major developers (tankie, pro-china, castro-profile-picture communists) has put me off lemmy, particularly because they're (allegedly) removing anything critical of Russia/China and promoting genocide denial on their instance.
- krapp 3y ago
  Whenever someone complains that a certain project or community harbors toxicity or right-wing views, the standard answer on HN is that should't matter, software should be judged strictly on technical merit, not politics. So start up your own instance with blackjack and hookers if you like, federate with whomever you want.
  - sleight42 3y ago
    The "standard answer" is to swallow a poison pill. The legacy is problematic and cannot be separated from. But, then, HN trends Utilitarian in the extreme, with its Libertarian roots.
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- creamyhorror 3y ago
  I've heard of more politically neutral instances like beehaw.org - places like that might fit you better. There's also kbin, which is a newer alternative to Lemmy (and possibly less political?).
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sleight42 3y ago
No. It is developed and run by tankies. This is a poison pill. See https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379 https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
- qznc 3y ago
  Lemmy is evil because the devs host lemmy.ml and it links to the lemmygrad.ml instance which is evil? Too indirect an argument for me.

by qznc 3y ago

TylerE 3y ago

I wish there was something else. For building a coherent community federation is a bug not a feature.

qznc 3y ago
Federation makes it easier for users to join. If you don’t need that, there are plenty self-hosted alternatives. For example, HN itself.
- TylerE 3y ago
  How exactly? Ever federated project has all this faff about "which instance should I use?". How is that possibly easier.44
  - rainonmoon 3y ago
    Just join one. Portability is inherent to the software. If you don't like it, move to another one.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Yea, extra steps. Confusion. Uncertainty. The exact opposite of easier.
      - rainonmoon 3y ago
        Registering for a website is not something most people find so mystifying. Short of being willfully obtuse, I would imagine most people who express discontent with online communities could exert the most cursory of efforts to understand how to do it. Typically it involves visiting a URL and then typing in an email address and a password. Please pass this on if you come across anyone struggling to comprehend it.
        mcluck 3y ago
        Getting into a federated space brings a lot of questions for normal people. Why this instance? Why not this instance? Can I only join one? What if my friends join a different one? This one only has 100 people, is it weird if I join? This one has 1,000,000 million, isn't that basically Reddit/Twitter/whatever? These are the sorts of questions that come to mind for normal people. By the time they've asked this pile of questions they've already decided it's not worth the hassle of finding the answers
        rainonmoon 3y ago
        As people positioned to understand this stuff, we have a duty to explain it to people if we believe it will have a positive impact on society. I'm not oblivious to the fact that lots of people have lots of questions about decentralised social media, I'm saying the answers can be very simple. That should be enough to realise that the fatalism some people seem to experience in the face of this new technology only exposes their own intellectual laziness -- not the confusion of "normal people" and not the insurmountable complexity of that technology.
        TylerE 3y ago
        [flagged]
  - qznc 3y ago
    Here is how the comparison looks to me: Assume you are a HN user and you heard about this interesting lobsters community. Case 1: Different website, create an account there. Case 2: ActivityPub vision, search for !lobsters, click join Case 3: ActivityPub now, go to website, copy URL into your own instance, search returns nothing, try again minutes later, join. I fully agree that Lemmy is currently not easier (case 3). Users understand multiple accounts (case 1) but managing accounts, they do not. I belief eventually the Fediverse will be easiest (case 2).

_x14i 3y ago

The political views of some of the major developers (tankie, pro-china, castro-profile-picture communists) has put me off lemmy, particularly because they're (allegedly) removing anything critical of Russia/China and promoting genocide denial on their instance.

krapp 3y ago
Whenever someone complains that a certain project or community harbors toxicity or right-wing views, the standard answer on HN is that should't matter, software should be judged strictly on technical merit, not politics. So start up your own instance with blackjack and hookers if you like, federate with whomever you want.
- sleight42 3y ago
  The "standard answer" is to swallow a poison pill. The legacy is problematic and cannot be separated from. But, then, HN trends Utilitarian in the extreme, with its Libertarian roots.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
creamyhorror 3y ago
I've heard of more politically neutral instances like beehaw.org - places like that might fit you better. There's also kbin, which is a newer alternative to Lemmy (and possibly less political?).
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

sleight42 3y ago

No. It is developed and run by tankies. This is a poison pill. See https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379 https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379

qznc 3y ago
Lemmy is evil because the devs host lemmy.ml and it links to the lemmygrad.ml instance which is evil? Too indirect an argument for me.