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Sure, they vacuum things up, but people have agency. They choose to use platforms. They can choose to use different ones. I can't influence every person's choic

Sure, they vacuum things up, but people have agency. They choose to use platforms. They can choose to use different ones. I can't influence every person's choices, but I can choose how I invest my time and social energy, and present an alternative for people who are alienated with existing platforms (a very large and growing population)

mlyle 3y ago
The problem is, a lot of the platforms that I've liked over the years have been vacuumed up. I still try to use different ones, but it's a lot harder.
- abricot 3y ago
  Personally most my moves away from online platforms over the last 3 decades years have been been because community owners have massively fucked up. I think Digg did it worst.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    I miss BBSes, Usenet, EFnet, Puzzle Pirates, and a few web forums. They all kind of exist, but they were mostly supplanted by bigger, more centralized things. All of them had a part in their own demise, too. Then in turn those bigger, more centralized things have tended to screw things up.
stereolambda 3y ago
This is a little atomistic view, but essentially in the correct direction. I would also add we need to nurture anti-centralization and anti-corporate sentiments that are still springing up in younger people especially, in their own way. If alternatives could bestow perceived social prestige for at least parts of the population, this would help preserve islands of free discourse for the future. To be sure, this doesn't mean proclaiming decentralization to be cool necessarily (...fellow kids), but trying to be open-minded and friendly to the public, which I consider to be the actual better part of the ethos of the early Internet era. Being tech literate is "esoteric" by itself, and some complexities and social contracts cannot be really taken away from that, not without going back under the centralized yoke. But even moreso we should be trying to make it a little better by our attitude. Even if a regulation of protocols for utilities will come, assuming it will be good, we need society to remain willing to preserve it.

mlyle 3y ago

The problem is, a lot of the platforms that I've liked over the years have been vacuumed up. I still try to use different ones, but it's a lot harder.

abricot 3y ago
Personally most my moves away from online platforms over the last 3 decades years have been been because community owners have massively fucked up. I think Digg did it worst.
- mlyle 3y ago
  I miss BBSes, Usenet, EFnet, Puzzle Pirates, and a few web forums. They all kind of exist, but they were mostly supplanted by bigger, more centralized things. All of them had a part in their own demise, too. Then in turn those bigger, more centralized things have tended to screw things up.

stereolambda 3y ago

This is a little atomistic view, but essentially in the correct direction. I would also add we need to nurture anti-centralization and anti-corporate sentiments that are still springing up in younger people especially, in their own way. If alternatives could bestow perceived social prestige for at least parts of the population, this would help preserve islands of free discourse for the future. To be sure, this doesn't mean proclaiming decentralization to be cool necessarily (...fellow kids), but trying to be open-minded and friendly to the public, which I consider to be the actual better part of the ethos of the early Internet era. Being tech literate is "esoteric" by itself, and some complexities and social contracts cannot be really taken away from that, not without going back under the centralized yoke. But even moreso we should be trying to make it a little better by our attitude. Even if a regulation of protocols for utilities will come, assuming it will be good, we need society to remain willing to preserve it.