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He comes off very defensive to me. When he says it validates the category, or that Quest 3 will be the primary beneficiary due to affordability, I get no sense

He comes off very defensive to me. When he says it validates the category, or that Quest 3 will be the primary beneficiary due to affordability, I get no sense of actual excitement. I'm not sure he's wrong about that stuff exactly; but I'd have been much more convinced if he was excited and animated, and making fewer disparaging remarks, peddling rumors about how few Apple is making, etc.

johnwheeler 3y ago
It’s not really a rumor anymore. They’re shipping between 500k and 1m units. I thought he was doing what any CEO would do shining his own products in the best possible light, I mean, you really think he’s going to be like, “yeah, sure Apple screwed me and all that but it’s awesome that they’re getting into XR because they’re going to make the world a better place” No. Companies are not altruistic nor should they necessarily be.
- furyofantares 3y ago
  Of course I don't expect him to say that. There's been people here and elsewhere saying, "this is good for Meta, actually", and Mark is also saying that. And I don't know what to make of the logic. It might be right! It might not. I'm interested in opinions on that. My comment is just that it doesn't appear to me, based on the defensiveness and lack of excitement from Mark, that he believes it. OF COURSE I don't expect him to say they're screwed, if he believes that. If I expected that, I wouldn't be trying to work out his mood when he spins it as positive. I don't know if he thinks this is a positive thing for them or not, but his demeanor suggests not to me.
GeekyBear 3y ago
> He comes off very defensive to me. I don't think the notion that "If Apple's price is too high for a given consumer, maybe interest in this space will lead them to buy one of our less expensive products" is unreasonable. However, if what you're interested in AR and not VR, Meta's products are just vastly inferior. Of the other roughly comparable products, Magic Leap is just as expensive, and Microsoft's Hololens is just as expensive, AND team behind the product was recently laid off.

johnwheeler 3y ago

It’s not really a rumor anymore. They’re shipping between 500k and 1m units. I thought he was doing what any CEO would do shining his own products in the best possible light, I mean, you really think he’s going to be like, “yeah, sure Apple screwed me and all that but it’s awesome that they’re getting into XR because they’re going to make the world a better place” No. Companies are not altruistic nor should they necessarily be.

furyofantares 3y ago
Of course I don't expect him to say that. There's been people here and elsewhere saying, "this is good for Meta, actually", and Mark is also saying that. And I don't know what to make of the logic. It might be right! It might not. I'm interested in opinions on that. My comment is just that it doesn't appear to me, based on the defensiveness and lack of excitement from Mark, that he believes it. OF COURSE I don't expect him to say they're screwed, if he believes that. If I expected that, I wouldn't be trying to work out his mood when he spins it as positive. I don't know if he thinks this is a positive thing for them or not, but his demeanor suggests not to me.

GeekyBear 3y ago

> He comes off very defensive to me. I don't think the notion that "If Apple's price is too high for a given consumer, maybe interest in this space will lead them to buy one of our less expensive products" is unreasonable. However, if what you're interested in AR and not VR, Meta's products are just vastly inferior. Of the other roughly comparable products, Magic Leap is just as expensive, and Microsoft's Hololens is just as expensive, AND team behind the product was recently laid off.