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> It’s becoming increasingly frustrating to read old Reddit threads Yeah, that's the point. Users are clawing back the value they gave to Reddit because they a

> It’s becoming increasingly frustrating to read old Reddit threads Yeah, that's the point. Users are clawing back the value they gave to Reddit because they are angry with the decisions the company has made.

joemi 3y ago
I think that's pretty close to a "if I can't have it no one can" attitude, and it's a net-negative for the world.
- tezgon 3y ago
  They're not removing the information for good, rather requiring one to go to a different site to find it. Seems like a sensible method of dissent.
  - joemi 3y ago
    Are you speaking for everyone deleting their content? I would bet that _most_ of the people doing this are not moving it to another site, but just deleting it forever.
    - nerdbert 3y ago
      I think the point is that now you have to go to chatgpt to get that information.
- acover 3y ago
  The data will be out there forever, you are just making it harder for Reddit to use it.
- danShumway 3y ago
  I also get annoyed when I see missing comments, but I don't think this is a good reading of the situation. Reddit is restricting access to its API. It's not good for the world if a company can say "look how much value you're giving everyone, you're morally obligated to them to let us keep abusing you." Users aren't obligated to play into that trap. I mean, if I'm going to treat content on Reddit like it's a public good that I'm morally obligated to provide, then maybe it's bad for a for-profit business that fights with its community to be in charge of that public good. Particularly in the context of the current API decisions, the thing Reddit is doing is closing off access to that data. A user saying, "fine, but if you're not going to allow open access then I'll stop treating my content like it's open access and I'll remove it" is I think a pretty reasonable response (both for the user and for society). The alternative is Reddit gets to lock down that data, but because it hasn't gone all the way yet and completely locked it down, everyone is still obligated to let them keep that data? It just doesn't make sense. It was brought up above, but Reddit archives exist. So it's not necessarily like the content is entirely lost. But it's less convenient to access, and that's purposeful, because it's bad for society if we allow commercial gatekeepers in front of communities to guilt users into making it easier for them to lock down and commoditize that data. It can be a difficult line to draw, but there are situations where it's worth just ripping off the band aide and saying, "if a site is not being a good steward of its community, then the site doesn't get to keep using that community's stuff as a way to attract users to the site."
- riversflow 3y ago
  Should no one ever protest anything as it would be a drag on the economy? No, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that being a doormat is less of a net-negative for the world than doing the only thing of actual consequence. Deleting my comment history is activism against a corporations which has decided to flex its muscle in a way I don't like.
commandlinefan 3y ago
I'm happy to see it, but it's a little surprising (and even frustrating) that this ended up being the straw that broke the camel's back. Reddit has deserved this for a very, very long time for more serious abominations than trying to monetize the site.
ddingus 3y ago
Yup. What a mess! Sure wish there was a better way to advance things.

joemi 3y ago

I think that's pretty close to a "if I can't have it no one can" attitude, and it's a net-negative for the world.

tezgon 3y ago
They're not removing the information for good, rather requiring one to go to a different site to find it. Seems like a sensible method of dissent.
- joemi 3y ago
  Are you speaking for everyone deleting their content? I would bet that _most_ of the people doing this are not moving it to another site, but just deleting it forever.
  - nerdbert 3y ago
    I think the point is that now you have to go to chatgpt to get that information.
acover 3y ago
The data will be out there forever, you are just making it harder for Reddit to use it.
danShumway 3y ago
I also get annoyed when I see missing comments, but I don't think this is a good reading of the situation. Reddit is restricting access to its API. It's not good for the world if a company can say "look how much value you're giving everyone, you're morally obligated to them to let us keep abusing you." Users aren't obligated to play into that trap. I mean, if I'm going to treat content on Reddit like it's a public good that I'm morally obligated to provide, then maybe it's bad for a for-profit business that fights with its community to be in charge of that public good. Particularly in the context of the current API decisions, the thing Reddit is doing is closing off access to that data. A user saying, "fine, but if you're not going to allow open access then I'll stop treating my content like it's open access and I'll remove it" is I think a pretty reasonable response (both for the user and for society). The alternative is Reddit gets to lock down that data, but because it hasn't gone all the way yet and completely locked it down, everyone is still obligated to let them keep that data? It just doesn't make sense. It was brought up above, but Reddit archives exist. So it's not necessarily like the content is entirely lost. But it's less convenient to access, and that's purposeful, because it's bad for society if we allow commercial gatekeepers in front of communities to guilt users into making it easier for them to lock down and commoditize that data. It can be a difficult line to draw, but there are situations where it's worth just ripping off the band aide and saying, "if a site is not being a good steward of its community, then the site doesn't get to keep using that community's stuff as a way to attract users to the site."
riversflow 3y ago
Should no one ever protest anything as it would be a drag on the economy? No, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that being a doormat is less of a net-negative for the world than doing the only thing of actual consequence. Deleting my comment history is activism against a corporations which has decided to flex its muscle in a way I don't like.

commandlinefan 3y ago

I'm happy to see it, but it's a little surprising (and even frustrating) that this ended up being the straw that broke the camel's back. Reddit has deserved this for a very, very long time for more serious abominations than trying to monetize the site.

ddingus 3y ago

Yup. What a mess! Sure wish there was a better way to advance things.