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Bit disappointing that we haven't seen a competitor pop up since the announcement. With the instant hardware access of AWS and the infinite money of Silicon Val

Bit disappointing that we haven't seen a competitor pop up since the announcement. With the instant hardware access of AWS and the infinite money of Silicon Valley banks, it's a bit shameful that no one is rushing to fill the market need.

paulddraper 3y ago
Like how the market rushed to Google+ after the Cambridge Analytica scandal? You underestimate the staying power of a network.
- jimbob45 3y ago
  I'm old enough to remember Google+ being released. The limited beta is what prevented my friends from adopting it. Facebook had just released another garbage redesign and we were all eager to drop it like a rock. Actually now that I think about it, I would argue that the limited beta (and weird invite program) of GMail slowed its adoption as well.
- M2Ys4U 3y ago
  Well the Digg to Reddit migration was quick and very successful. Once you cross the trust thermocline,[0] collapse is sudden and virtually irreversible. [0] https://every.to/p/breaching-the-trust-thermocline-is-the-biggest-hidden-risk-in-business https://every.to/p/breaching-the-trust-thermocline-is-the-bi...
unshavedyak 3y ago
My thoughts as well. At least during the twitter drama we had Mastodon, and while instances did struggle with the traffic Mastodon was in a decent position to handle that. I'm not sure if any alternative exists for this scenario, though.
- jacooper 3y ago
  Mastodon absolutely failed at being a twitter alternative.
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    /shrug, i use it daily and didn't before. But again, we're not talking about a Reddit or Twitter replacement. I don't even want that. I want a slice of features that can fill the gap that Reddit or Twitter did. Mastodon worked excellently for that for me. I've permanently switched from Twitter, 6mo ago or w/e. Reddit has Lemmy, maybe, but they seem in a less mature place than Mastodon was when Twitter fumbled. Naysay Mastodon all you want, but i think it gained a fair bit of traction from Twitter's event. Best of all, it's not trying to be Twitter. I'm looking for that with Reddit, currently.
elektor 3y ago
There is Lemmy and Tildes
- peacebeard 3y ago
  I am leaving Reddit because I use Apollo and I don't think their mobile site or app are acceptable. I would like to try Tildes but I cannot because it's invite only and I don't have the time to figure out where to get an invite. I'll check out Lemmy. Thanks for the suggestions.
VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
it's because the Reddit users that are actually bothered by this are unmonetizable and everyone knows it. nobody is eager to jump into that sink hole and Reddit itself is happy to be free of it.
sosodev 3y ago
Do we really want a venture capital backed competitor? It will just end up going the same way.
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brucethemoose2 3y ago
The internet is littered with dead Reddit alternatives, and very compelling live ones. I was into Voat for a little bit. Fact is, they dont have the critical mass Reddit does, and never will until it is actually dead, not "dying" like it has been for half a decade.
- fffv 3y ago
  The generic Reddit alternatives like Voat, Saidit, Ruqqus, etc. haven't done too well, but there have been some successes when individual subreddits, or groups of subreddits, have migrated to their own sites and taken much of the userbase with them. Perhaps that is the better way forward than the aggregated approach of Reddit, going back to the old-school approach of separate forums with their own websites.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Like, say, HN. Yeah, this would be great if users move and the right entities sponsor it. Again, HN is a good example, as YC seems to have the right incentives to keep this place nice.
- tzs 3y ago
  This time has a chance to be different. Perhaps not a large chance, but still quite a bit higher than sites like Voat had. The problem with Voat and many of the others was that they either started in response to Reddit changes that most users didn't care about and that of those that did care the majority favored the changes, or if they already existed they were small enough that the people who left Reddit for them due to those Reddit change quickly became the overwhelming majority of their users. Voat, for example either started because or got the majority of its users because Reddit got rid of /r/coontown and similar racist subreddits and got rid of a bunch of child sex subreddits. Those quickly reformed on Voat. People did make Voat groups for mainstream things like movies and science, and some people tried to make those decent alternatives to say /r/movies and /r/science but it did't work. Any decent discussion on /v/movies or /v/science you could also find on /r/movies or /r/science. But on /v/movies or /v/science you'd also have a bunch of the racist and antisemite discussions too which weren't on /r/movies or /r/science. For example see this Voat discussion of season 2 of The Mandalorian from /v/movies [1]. Here's an example from /v/science [2]. This time has a chance to be different because this time it won't be the dregs of Reddit leaving. It will mostly be decent people leaving. Those who remain might actually miss them instead of being happy they are gone, and so might consider actually following. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20201225021055/https://voat.co/v/movies/4164913 https://web.archive.org/web/20201225021055/https://voat.co/v... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20201223123156/https://voat.co/v/science/4152241 https://web.archive.org/web/20201223123156/https://voat.co/v...

paulddraper 3y ago

Like how the market rushed to Google+ after the Cambridge Analytica scandal? You underestimate the staying power of a network.

jimbob45 3y ago
I'm old enough to remember Google+ being released. The limited beta is what prevented my friends from adopting it. Facebook had just released another garbage redesign and we were all eager to drop it like a rock. Actually now that I think about it, I would argue that the limited beta (and weird invite program) of GMail slowed its adoption as well.
M2Ys4U 3y ago
Well the Digg to Reddit migration was quick and very successful. Once you cross the trust thermocline,[0] collapse is sudden and virtually irreversible. [0] https://every.to/p/breaching-the-trust-thermocline-is-the-biggest-hidden-risk-in-business https://every.to/p/breaching-the-trust-thermocline-is-the-bi...

unshavedyak 3y ago

My thoughts as well. At least during the twitter drama we had Mastodon, and while instances did struggle with the traffic Mastodon was in a decent position to handle that. I'm not sure if any alternative exists for this scenario, though.

jacooper 3y ago
Mastodon absolutely failed at being a twitter alternative.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  /shrug, i use it daily and didn't before. But again, we're not talking about a Reddit or Twitter replacement. I don't even want that. I want a slice of features that can fill the gap that Reddit or Twitter did. Mastodon worked excellently for that for me. I've permanently switched from Twitter, 6mo ago or w/e. Reddit has Lemmy, maybe, but they seem in a less mature place than Mastodon was when Twitter fumbled. Naysay Mastodon all you want, but i think it gained a fair bit of traction from Twitter's event. Best of all, it's not trying to be Twitter. I'm looking for that with Reddit, currently.

elektor 3y ago

There is Lemmy and Tildes

peacebeard 3y ago
I am leaving Reddit because I use Apollo and I don't think their mobile site or app are acceptable. I would like to try Tildes but I cannot because it's invite only and I don't have the time to figure out where to get an invite. I'll check out Lemmy. Thanks for the suggestions.

VWWHFSfQ 3y ago

it's because the Reddit users that are actually bothered by this are unmonetizable and everyone knows it. nobody is eager to jump into that sink hole and Reddit itself is happy to be free of it.

sosodev 3y ago

Do we really want a venture capital backed competitor? It will just end up going the same way.

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brucethemoose2 3y ago

The internet is littered with dead Reddit alternatives, and very compelling live ones. I was into Voat for a little bit. Fact is, they dont have the critical mass Reddit does, and never will until it is actually dead, not "dying" like it has been for half a decade.

fffv 3y ago
The generic Reddit alternatives like Voat, Saidit, Ruqqus, etc. haven't done too well, but there have been some successes when individual subreddits, or groups of subreddits, have migrated to their own sites and taken much of the userbase with them. Perhaps that is the better way forward than the aggregated approach of Reddit, going back to the old-school approach of separate forums with their own websites.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Like, say, HN. Yeah, this would be great if users move and the right entities sponsor it. Again, HN is a good example, as YC seems to have the right incentives to keep this place nice.
tzs 3y ago
This time has a chance to be different. Perhaps not a large chance, but still quite a bit higher than sites like Voat had. The problem with Voat and many of the others was that they either started in response to Reddit changes that most users didn't care about and that of those that did care the majority favored the changes, or if they already existed they were small enough that the people who left Reddit for them due to those Reddit change quickly became the overwhelming majority of their users. Voat, for example either started because or got the majority of its users because Reddit got rid of /r/coontown and similar racist subreddits and got rid of a bunch of child sex subreddits. Those quickly reformed on Voat. People did make Voat groups for mainstream things like movies and science, and some people tried to make those decent alternatives to say /r/movies and /r/science but it did't work. Any decent discussion on /v/movies or /v/science you could also find on /r/movies or /r/science. But on /v/movies or /v/science you'd also have a bunch of the racist and antisemite discussions too which weren't on /r/movies or /r/science. For example see this Voat discussion of season 2 of The Mandalorian from /v/movies [1]. Here's an example from /v/science [2]. This time has a chance to be different because this time it won't be the dregs of Reddit leaving. It will mostly be decent people leaving. Those who remain might actually miss them instead of being happy they are gone, and so might consider actually following. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20201225021055/https://voat.co/v/movies/4164913 https://web.archive.org/web/20201225021055/https://voat.co/v... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20201223123156/https://voat.co/v/science/4152241 https://web.archive.org/web/20201223123156/https://voat.co/v...