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Had to lol at House migrants. the word dance the media does to avoid saying the dreaded "Illegal immigrant" just gets more ridiculous.

burkaman 3y ago
The term "illegal immigrant" cannot be applied to people who immigrated legally using a law you don't like.
- georgeplusplus 3y ago
  I wish they'd follow the law. They are being waved as if they're asylum seekers. That is circumvention of law.
  - burkaman 3y ago
    I'm sorry but you're just wrong. I understand that you don't like the system for seeking asylum in the US, but it is objectively legal.
    - georgeplusplus 3y ago
      And Im not expecting you to give a deeper and more thoughtful argument than "you're just wrong" since that's all I hear from people with similar views to yours say when questioned why.
      - burkaman 3y ago
        What is there to argue? My view is that asylum seeking is legal, because it is. It is legal to seek asylum in the US. You have to be physically present in the country to make a claim. You are allowed to stay here while your claim is pending. What else is there to say?
        georgeplusplus 3y ago
        Asylum seeking is indeed legal. But there is a process. Historically that process has not been used to grant blanket citizenships to entire countries. When someone goes to a U.S embassy to seek asylum there is a process. One would argue what is going on at the border is a lack of process. Where we don't agree is if asylum is being given to the extent of the law and there, obviously, is a ton to say here since 50% of the country doesn't agree this is happening.
        burkaman 3y ago
        Ok, I see, you are accusing immigration officials of breaking the law, not immigrants. I think that's a reasonable discussion to have, however: 1. The people in NYC we're discussing have not been granted asylum as far I understand, they've just applied, so we haven't even gotten to the alleged illegal activity. You certainly cannot call these people illegal immigrants. 2. Even in the worst case you're describing, an immigrant legally applies for asylum, and then is illegally granted asylum by the US government. The immigrant still has not broken any laws here and cannot be described as an illegal person. Imagine if you apply for job, receive an offer, and accept it. Later on it turns out the company was legally required to post the job in more places or something, and it shouldn't have made you an offer. Have you broken the law? Are you illegal now?
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burkaman 3y ago

The term "illegal immigrant" cannot be applied to people who immigrated legally using a law you don't like.

georgeplusplus 3y ago
I wish they'd follow the law. They are being waved as if they're asylum seekers. That is circumvention of law.
- burkaman 3y ago
  I'm sorry but you're just wrong. I understand that you don't like the system for seeking asylum in the US, but it is objectively legal.
  - georgeplusplus 3y ago
    And Im not expecting you to give a deeper and more thoughtful argument than "you're just wrong" since that's all I hear from people with similar views to yours say when questioned why.
    - burkaman 3y ago
      What is there to argue? My view is that asylum seeking is legal, because it is. It is legal to seek asylum in the US. You have to be physically present in the country to make a claim. You are allowed to stay here while your claim is pending. What else is there to say?
      - georgeplusplus 3y ago
        Asylum seeking is indeed legal. But there is a process. Historically that process has not been used to grant blanket citizenships to entire countries. When someone goes to a U.S embassy to seek asylum there is a process. One would argue what is going on at the border is a lack of process. Where we don't agree is if asylum is being given to the extent of the law and there, obviously, is a ton to say here since 50% of the country doesn't agree this is happening.
        burkaman 3y ago
        Ok, I see, you are accusing immigration officials of breaking the law, not immigrants. I think that's a reasonable discussion to have, however: 1. The people in NYC we're discussing have not been granted asylum as far I understand, they've just applied, so we haven't even gotten to the alleged illegal activity. You certainly cannot call these people illegal immigrants. 2. Even in the worst case you're describing, an immigrant legally applies for asylum, and then is illegally granted asylum by the US government. The immigrant still has not broken any laws here and cannot be described as an illegal person. Imagine if you apply for job, receive an offer, and accept it. Later on it turns out the company was legally required to post the job in more places or something, and it shouldn't have made you an offer. Have you broken the law? Are you illegal now?
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