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I disagree, it worked before and it is the reason the internet even exists. The core issue is that user generated data is owned by one individual company. Ther

I disagree, it worked before and it is the reason the internet even exists. The core issue is that user generated data is owned by one individual company. There are existing system that don't have this issues e.g. Usenet or bittorrent. We don't need to idiot proof the web. There are enough people to gather some place for a social network even if it's hard to use. The others can stay and will stay on reddit anyway until one day when they also had enough and learn to use some alternative.

Zetice 3y ago
The "value" of Reddit as a website is vastly overrated anyway. There's nothing on Reddit that can't be obtained elsewhere, folks just get stuck in patterns that are familiar and presume it's because options are limited. The world will continue to spin without Reddit, or if Reddit isn't popular anymore, or if Reddit kicks all of its current users out, and so on.
- nukeman 3y ago
  Reddit’s value these days is as a super-forum. Instead of needing five logins and five accounts for separate hobbies, you can have one login, one account, and if you occasionally want to comment or ask questions about something else, you can do so without having to create another account. Doesn’t hurt that Reddit has a very good network effect.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    That's how you use it, but I'd argue that 90% of Reddit's users don't operate the same way, considering they don't even have accounts to begin with. In fact, I would even argue that Reddit is actively trying to push users who use Reddit this way off of the platform, as they're not as easily monetized. Reddit is notorious for having low conversion rates on its ads and extremely high ad blocking rates.
    - jcpham2 3y ago
      I'm definitely a push-away user. I'll never pay them money to use their site and I rarely comment in the ten years or so I've had an account. Same goes for HN; I would never pay money to use this site - I would just find a new site to frequent. I understand this is unfortunate for the website operator but I consider operating a web server at this point a labor of love, not a business model.
      - Zetice 3y ago
        > but I consider operating a web server at this point a labor of love, not a business model. Hey, at least you're open about your entitlement!
utbabya 3y ago
IMO the internet post-2010ish is inferior to the one before in theory. Early creators were thoughtful, they created protocols foreseeing a lot of these problems. I'm not sure what's gonna happen next but the parallel universe I'd like to be in is that the internet in the last 15 so years were anomalies or a curve that raises quickly then dies off.

Zetice 3y ago

The "value" of Reddit as a website is vastly overrated anyway. There's nothing on Reddit that can't be obtained elsewhere, folks just get stuck in patterns that are familiar and presume it's because options are limited. The world will continue to spin without Reddit, or if Reddit isn't popular anymore, or if Reddit kicks all of its current users out, and so on.

nukeman 3y ago
Reddit’s value these days is as a super-forum. Instead of needing five logins and five accounts for separate hobbies, you can have one login, one account, and if you occasionally want to comment or ask questions about something else, you can do so without having to create another account. Doesn’t hurt that Reddit has a very good network effect.
- Zetice 3y ago
  That's how you use it, but I'd argue that 90% of Reddit's users don't operate the same way, considering they don't even have accounts to begin with. In fact, I would even argue that Reddit is actively trying to push users who use Reddit this way off of the platform, as they're not as easily monetized. Reddit is notorious for having low conversion rates on its ads and extremely high ad blocking rates.
  - jcpham2 3y ago
    I'm definitely a push-away user. I'll never pay them money to use their site and I rarely comment in the ten years or so I've had an account. Same goes for HN; I would never pay money to use this site - I would just find a new site to frequent. I understand this is unfortunate for the website operator but I consider operating a web server at this point a labor of love, not a business model.
    - Zetice 3y ago
      > but I consider operating a web server at this point a labor of love, not a business model. Hey, at least you're open about your entitlement!

utbabya 3y ago

IMO the internet post-2010ish is inferior to the one before in theory. Early creators were thoughtful, they created protocols foreseeing a lot of these problems. I'm not sure what's gonna happen next but the parallel universe I'd like to be in is that the internet in the last 15 so years were anomalies or a curve that raises quickly then dies off.