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> Posts/threads are designed to be short-lived and quickly forgotten No matter what they are designed for, the fact is that links around the net links to them

> Posts/threads are designed to be short-lived and quickly forgotten No matter what they are designed for, the fact is that links around the net links to them, some of them 10 days old, others 10 years old. All those links might stop working, which sucks, no matter what the content itself is.

ravenstine 3y ago
That's fair, but I don't think it sucks, personally. Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily has the universal value to be archived. Others will disagree, and perhaps most will, but the way I see it is that there's better things to spend time and effort on than backing up Reddit. As an alternative, I think it would be better for there to be good tools for individual Reddit communities to back up their own content, which would also allow them the control to archive what's valuable and leave behind the flotsam. Perhaps such a tool would even support migrating to other forum systems. If no one would be willing to use such a tool, then that would essentially prove my point that most Reddit content isn't highly worthy of being archived. Like I tried to suggest in my first sentence in my original comment, I don't necessarily think there's no argument for or no value at all in archiving Reddit. It just doesn't seem like the best choice, especially for an organization like the Archive Team who could be spending that time and effort to fight for their own existence, even if it's only costing them $20 in total. The effort would be better left to communities and individuals to decide what should be archived and how to host it.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily has the universal value to be archived. Others will disagree, and perhaps most will Most specifically, Archive Team disagrees with this, as they'll aggressively will go ahead and archive the internet, even if the hosters of said content don't want the content to be archived. Figuring out what's worth keeping around is a lot easier to do after you've archived it, rather than before. > especially for an organization like the Archive Team who could be spending that time and effort to fight for their own existence The Archive Team's goal is to archive content of the internet that others won't archive. It's the explicit and only goal of the organization. That's basically fight for their own existence, without the goal of archiving, Archive Team wouldn't exists. And there is nothing that is working against their existence, are you maybe confusing them for Internet Archive which is under a bit of legal fire right now? Because they're separate organizations.

ravenstine 3y ago

That's fair, but I don't think it sucks, personally. Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily has the universal value to be archived. Others will disagree, and perhaps most will, but the way I see it is that there's better things to spend time and effort on than backing up Reddit. As an alternative, I think it would be better for there to be good tools for individual Reddit communities to back up their own content, which would also allow them the control to archive what's valuable and leave behind the flotsam. Perhaps such a tool would even support migrating to other forum systems. If no one would be willing to use such a tool, then that would essentially prove my point that most Reddit content isn't highly worthy of being archived. Like I tried to suggest in my first sentence in my original comment, I don't necessarily think there's no argument for or no value at all in archiving Reddit. It just doesn't seem like the best choice, especially for an organization like the Archive Team who could be spending that time and effort to fight for their own existence, even if it's only costing them $20 in total. The effort would be better left to communities and individuals to decide what should be archived and how to host it.

capableweb 3y ago
> Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily has the universal value to be archived. Others will disagree, and perhaps most will Most specifically, Archive Team disagrees with this, as they'll aggressively will go ahead and archive the internet, even if the hosters of said content don't want the content to be archived. Figuring out what's worth keeping around is a lot easier to do after you've archived it, rather than before. > especially for an organization like the Archive Team who could be spending that time and effort to fight for their own existence The Archive Team's goal is to archive content of the internet that others won't archive. It's the explicit and only goal of the organization. That's basically fight for their own existence, without the goal of archiving, Archive Team wouldn't exists. And there is nothing that is working against their existence, are you maybe confusing them for Internet Archive which is under a bit of legal fire right now? Because they're separate organizations.