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Kidnapping: "the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment" Nobody is being carried again

Kidnapping: "the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment" Nobody is being carried against their will. Nobody is being held under false imprisonment.

tomtheelder 3y ago
Federal law: Under 18 USC 1201, a person is guilty of kidnapping who "unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person." I think what went down would definitely qualify as inveigling.
whoknew1122 3y ago
Kidnapping Texas penal code title 5, chapter 20, section 20.03: KIDNAPPING. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly abducts another person. Abduct is defined in section 20.01(2): (2) "Abduct" means to restrain a person with intent to prevent his liberation by: (A) secreting or holding him in a place where he is not likely to be found --snip-- Per reports, the alleged undocumented immigrants are induced with imaginary benefits (such as expedited asylum claims) and are sent to destinations unknown by them. If you don't know where you're going, you're not likely to be found. At the very least it'd be unlawful restraint. Sec. 20.02. UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly restrains another person. Restrain is defined in section 20.01(1): (1) "Restrain" means to restrict a person's movements without consent, so as to interfere substantially with the person's liberty, by moving the person from one place to another or by confining the person. Restraint is "without consent" if it is accomplished by: (A) force, intimidation, or deception --snip-- The alleged undocumented immigrants are being induced onto these bus and/or planes by false promises (e.g. expedited asylum claims elsewhere). Which means they're being trafficked somewhere else via deception.
- prepend 3y ago
  Why would someone refuse a trip to Martha’s Vinyard? What makes you think any of the people transported are going against their will? That seems like such a weird take without lots of evidence. It seems much more likely that someone was offered a flight or bus ride to anywhere that isn’t Texas and they accepted. Financially, it’s much more beneficial to go to NYC or Denver or SFO than stay on the Texas border. And there are so many migrants it’s easy to just ask until your plane fills up. Any kidnapping lawsuits are likely to end up in the prosecutor looking stupid as 1) the migrants transported will likely say they went willingly / transporter has documentation and 2) migrants will likely split because they don’t want to be deported
  - infamouscow 3y ago
    The people you're questioning already believe this to be kidnapping in a tautological sense.

tomtheelder 3y ago

Federal law: Under 18 USC 1201, a person is guilty of kidnapping who "unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person." I think what went down would definitely qualify as inveigling.

whoknew1122 3y ago

Kidnapping Texas penal code title 5, chapter 20, section 20.03: KIDNAPPING. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly abducts another person. Abduct is defined in section 20.01(2): (2) "Abduct" means to restrain a person with intent to prevent his liberation by: (A) secreting or holding him in a place where he is not likely to be found --snip-- Per reports, the alleged undocumented immigrants are induced with imaginary benefits (such as expedited asylum claims) and are sent to destinations unknown by them. If you don't know where you're going, you're not likely to be found. At the very least it'd be unlawful restraint. Sec. 20.02. UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly restrains another person. Restrain is defined in section 20.01(1): (1) "Restrain" means to restrict a person's movements without consent, so as to interfere substantially with the person's liberty, by moving the person from one place to another or by confining the person. Restraint is "without consent" if it is accomplished by: (A) force, intimidation, or deception --snip-- The alleged undocumented immigrants are being induced onto these bus and/or planes by false promises (e.g. expedited asylum claims elsewhere). Which means they're being trafficked somewhere else via deception.

prepend 3y ago
Why would someone refuse a trip to Martha’s Vinyard? What makes you think any of the people transported are going against their will? That seems like such a weird take without lots of evidence. It seems much more likely that someone was offered a flight or bus ride to anywhere that isn’t Texas and they accepted. Financially, it’s much more beneficial to go to NYC or Denver or SFO than stay on the Texas border. And there are so many migrants it’s easy to just ask until your plane fills up. Any kidnapping lawsuits are likely to end up in the prosecutor looking stupid as 1) the migrants transported will likely say they went willingly / transporter has documentation and 2) migrants will likely split because they don’t want to be deported
- infamouscow 3y ago
  The people you're questioning already believe this to be kidnapping in a tautological sense.