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Misrepresenting wholly fabricated case law to a judge out of sheer incompetence has been grounds for disbarment in at most US States for over a century. ChatGP

by xbar 3y ago

Misrepresenting wholly fabricated case law to a judge out of sheer incompetence has been grounds for disbarment in at most US States for over a century. ChatGPT told me that. It might be true.

kkielhofner 3y ago
Bingo. With or without ChatGPT this is easily malpractice and potentially even fraud. My (cynical) guess is not only are they lazy and sloppy, they likely (fraudulently) over billed their clients in terms of representing billable hours spent drafting this lawsuit. They're almost certainly billing their clients (or in the case of contingency, keeping the cut they normally would) as though humans (with high hourly rates) are drafting this while having ChatGPT generate their supposed work product in seconds. If you remove ChatGPT from the picture and look at this as if it was actually drafted by them the fraud argument strengthens. They essentially made up case law and citations that artificially (fraudulently) improves their argument before the court. At a minimum it's grossly incompetent and when you consider my prior paragraph it strengthens the fraud angle, as they likely skimmed over the generated ChatGPT results and submitted it because it (again, artificially) strengthens their case. It seems as though ChatGPT (with whatever prompts they used) was more than happy to prioritize pleasing them vs actually being accurate. They may as well have prompted ChatGPT with "I'm a lawyer and tell me anything you need to so I can win this case and take home the money". It's a disgrace. What a mess - these lawyers should be disbarred and investigated for what is also likely fraudulent billing practices at minimum.
- dylan604 3y ago
  >They're almost certainly billing their clients If they sent that bill in an envelope with a stamp and placed it in the mail...sounds very familiar. Maybe they should ask ChatGPT what are the possible outcomes of me using the answers you provide
  - kkielhofner 3y ago
    Hahahaha I almost included a reference to “The Firm”. But seriously it would be wire and/or mail fraud.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  > With or without ChatGPT this is easily malpractice and potentially even fraud. AI has been used and will continue to grow in use as a way to launder discrimination and fraud. AI will never face a penalty from the justice system, so why not blame everything on it?
  - pgeorgi 3y ago
    This is a case that's close to the judiciary. It might be what's needed to nullify the "I was only following the AI" defense by requiring a manual double check.
  - kkielhofner 3y ago
    I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here but I pretty clearly place all of the blame on the attorneys - going so far as to describe an equivalent scenario where they just make stuff up.
ryandrake 3y ago
Sounds like these lawyers need to be... DisBard? Sorry, it's too early for AI puns.
cyanydeez 3y ago
Unfortunately, technology washing is the latest trend in minimizing responsibility for outcome.

by xbar 3y ago

Misrepresenting wholly fabricated case law to a judge out of sheer incompetence has been grounds for disbarment in at most US States for over a century. ChatGPT told me that. It might be true.

kkielhofner 3y ago

Bingo. With or without ChatGPT this is easily malpractice and potentially even fraud. My (cynical) guess is not only are they lazy and sloppy, they likely (fraudulently) over billed their clients in terms of representing billable hours spent drafting this lawsuit. They're almost certainly billing their clients (or in the case of contingency, keeping the cut they normally would) as though humans (with high hourly rates) are drafting this while having ChatGPT generate their supposed work product in seconds. If you remove ChatGPT from the picture and look at this as if it was actually drafted by them the fraud argument strengthens. They essentially made up case law and citations that artificially (fraudulently) improves their argument before the court. At a minimum it's grossly incompetent and when you consider my prior paragraph it strengthens the fraud angle, as they likely skimmed over the generated ChatGPT results and submitted it because it (again, artificially) strengthens their case. It seems as though ChatGPT (with whatever prompts they used) was more than happy to prioritize pleasing them vs actually being accurate. They may as well have prompted ChatGPT with "I'm a lawyer and tell me anything you need to so I can win this case and take home the money". It's a disgrace. What a mess - these lawyers should be disbarred and investigated for what is also likely fraudulent billing practices at minimum.

dylan604 3y ago
>They're almost certainly billing their clients If they sent that bill in an envelope with a stamp and placed it in the mail...sounds very familiar. Maybe they should ask ChatGPT what are the possible outcomes of me using the answers you provide
- kkielhofner 3y ago
  Hahahaha I almost included a reference to “The Firm”. But seriously it would be wire and/or mail fraud.
pessimizer 3y ago
> With or without ChatGPT this is easily malpractice and potentially even fraud. AI has been used and will continue to grow in use as a way to launder discrimination and fraud. AI will never face a penalty from the justice system, so why not blame everything on it?
- pgeorgi 3y ago
  This is a case that's close to the judiciary. It might be what's needed to nullify the "I was only following the AI" defense by requiring a manual double check.
- kkielhofner 3y ago
  I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here but I pretty clearly place all of the blame on the attorneys - going so far as to describe an equivalent scenario where they just make stuff up.

ryandrake 3y ago

Sounds like these lawyers need to be... DisBard? Sorry, it's too early for AI puns.

cyanydeez 3y ago

Unfortunately, technology washing is the latest trend in minimizing responsibility for outcome.