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My heart goes out to new yorkers. This cannot be healthy. If there are long-standing health repercussions I doubt there will be any recourse they can take.

netfortius 3y ago
Haven't the Americans looked for a reason to invade Canada, for like ... forever?
- okennedy 3y ago
  Because that worked out so well for us the last time we tried... [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
  - bombcar 3y ago
    That was invading Britain more like, it's time for a rematch. Of course, we may re"match" by lighting California on fire again when the prevailing winds are from the Southwest.
  - ksherlock 3y ago
    The US kicked the British out of Canada in 1867.
    - amscanne 3y ago
      I presume this is a joke (though I don’t get it), because AFAIK the US had nothing at all to do with Canadian federation.
      - ksherlock 3y ago
        Post civil war, there was concern that Canada would be manifest destinied. Britain was somewhat supportive of the CSA and Alaska was purchased in 1867 so there were reasons to think they were next.
        amscanne 3y ago
        Well, TIL. Interesting that I had so many hours of Canadian history yet this particular angle didn’t stick with me. I recall a framing of the constitution act as a quintessentially Canadian “we asked politely for independence, and Britain said okay”, but after some reading it does seem your “let’s get out of here, the neighbors are psycho” framing also holds water ;) I suppose both are true.
  - boomboomsubban 3y ago
    According to that, the entire war cost ~$105 million dollars, which is about $2 billion dollars today. So 3 years of war equals around one day of the current US military budget. I realize your post was mostly silly, but it made me curious so I ran the numbers.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  No, we’ve got a good thing going obviously. We have a nice big peaceful border, they send us celebrities and artists, and we will absolutely demolish any country that fucks with them. We generate plenty of wildfire smoke internally anyway.
Wowfunhappy 3y ago
It's actually back in the healthy range as of this morning! I could immediately tell the difference when I woke up before sunrise, I went for a long walk outside and it felt great.
isleyaardvark 3y ago
It’s not great, but for comparison many cities in Asia have a much worse AQI much more often.
- hgsgm 3y ago
  That's not the equality I wanted.
elif 3y ago
Over a decade ago my wife was thru hiking and got caught in the smoke of a California wildfire. The ash scratched her corneas and her vision is still impacted to this day. It's definitely not something to take lightly, even if you wear a mask.
nemo44x 3y ago
People will be fine and no one is going to develop long term health issues from a couple days of smokey air. I feel bad for people with lung conditions as breathing was made more difficult for a bit but no one is dying from this. And what recourse? Who?
- chimeracoder 3y ago
  > People will be fine and no one is going to develop long term health issues from a couple days of smokey air. I feel bad for people with lung conditions as breathing was made more difficult for a bit but no one is dying from this. That's simply not true. People can, and do, develop long-term issues from acute exposure to bad air (that's literally why the range is called "Hazardous" on the AQI). Not to mention that one in ten New Yorkers has asthma, which means that yes, people can literally die from acute exposure to air pollution.
  - nemo44x 3y ago
    > People can, and do, develop long-term issues from acute exposure to bad air Not for a day, no. At least not for what was going happening in the East Coast. It wasn't like ash and debris was flying through the air. It was like sitting around a campfire. People aren't that fragile. Now, hypochondriacs might think they are (and we have a growing population of those), but they simply aren't. Is it bad for someone with COPD? Yes, but the damage had already been done for years.
    - dahart 3y ago
      > It wasn’t like ash and debris was flying through the air. Isn’t that exactly what smoke is? It’s worse than visibly large particles, the small particles are more likely to get inside your lungs and do damage. > Not for a day, no. You might want to familiarize yourself with the evidence-based WHO air quality guidelines which sets standards based on short-term 8 & 24 hour exposure periods, and separate long-term recommendations for annual exposure. https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/what-are-the-who-air-quality-guidelines https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/what-ar... The recommended short-term 24 hour exposure levels are far below what NYC saw (as well as what many cities in the west have had for months at a time over the last ten years. These numbers are published based on the WHO’s ability to demonstrate that adverse health effects appear in the population when exposure exceeds these levels. The recommendations were lowered recently compared to their 2005 numbers because the studies and data and evidence have grown in the last 20 years and it shows that even mild levels of exposure result in more doctor’s visits, more lung conditions, more athsma, more damage and more risk.
bee_rider 3y ago
It mostly seems to have moved down to Pennsylvania at this point. Smoke happens, it is bad, but I’m sure everybody in the country gets it a couple times in their life (unless you live on Martha’s Vineyard or something).
chimeracoder 3y ago
> My heart goes out to new yorkers. This cannot be healthy. If there are long-standing health repercussions I doubt there will be any recourse they can take. It's not good, but it's far from the worst around. The peak AQI here in NYC was about 350, which is actually much lower than the average AQI in Delhi between November and January, for example. (Air pollution is highly seasonal). Effects of air pollution are cumulative, so the people who really suffer the most from it are the ones who experience this regularly, as opposed to historical anomalies like this.
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jgalt212 3y ago
Or you can live in the Colorado with fresh air, but way more UV exposure. There are always trade-offs.
- zucked 3y ago
  We've (Coloradoans)been dealing with wildfire smoke pretty much forever. On average our air quality is quite good, but fires in any of the PNW/SW states regularly impact our air quality during the spring, summer, and fall. We held the dubious title of worst air quality in the world for at least a day earlier this spring. It's been a little comical having this NYC air quality situation keep finding it's way into my news sources -- it's been a part of my life as long as I've been alive. I check the FireNow site as much as I check the weather during the warm month.
- googlryas 3y ago
  On the Front Range, where most people live in Colorado (~Denver + north and south 60 miles), the air quality can actually get pretty bad due to inversion, and this has been noted since pre-statehood. We also are lucky enough to get a lot of wild fire smoke from California, Canada, the PNW, as well as our own home sourced wildfires. Maybe 2 years ago it felt like the whole summer was smoky, and we had stretches where the AQI was 500+ here in Boulder. https://denvergazette.com/outtherecolorado/news/the-brown-cloud-denver-air-quality-concerns-date-back-to-1800s/article_67d52fbf-cf8b-5e9d-8b71-f38fca214fb4.html https://denvergazette.com/outtherecolorado/news/the-brown-cl...

netfortius 3y ago

Haven't the Americans looked for a reason to invade Canada, for like ... forever?

okennedy 3y ago
Because that worked out so well for us the last time we tried... [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
- bombcar 3y ago
  That was invading Britain more like, it's time for a rematch. Of course, we may re"match" by lighting California on fire again when the prevailing winds are from the Southwest.
- ksherlock 3y ago
  The US kicked the British out of Canada in 1867.
  - amscanne 3y ago
    I presume this is a joke (though I don’t get it), because AFAIK the US had nothing at all to do with Canadian federation.
    - ksherlock 3y ago
      Post civil war, there was concern that Canada would be manifest destinied. Britain was somewhat supportive of the CSA and Alaska was purchased in 1867 so there were reasons to think they were next.
      - amscanne 3y ago
        Well, TIL. Interesting that I had so many hours of Canadian history yet this particular angle didn’t stick with me. I recall a framing of the constitution act as a quintessentially Canadian “we asked politely for independence, and Britain said okay”, but after some reading it does seem your “let’s get out of here, the neighbors are psycho” framing also holds water ;) I suppose both are true.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  According to that, the entire war cost ~$105 million dollars, which is about $2 billion dollars today. So 3 years of war equals around one day of the current US military budget. I realize your post was mostly silly, but it made me curious so I ran the numbers.
bee_rider 3y ago
No, we’ve got a good thing going obviously. We have a nice big peaceful border, they send us celebrities and artists, and we will absolutely demolish any country that fucks with them. We generate plenty of wildfire smoke internally anyway.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago

It's actually back in the healthy range as of this morning! I could immediately tell the difference when I woke up before sunrise, I went for a long walk outside and it felt great.

isleyaardvark 3y ago

It’s not great, but for comparison many cities in Asia have a much worse AQI much more often.

hgsgm 3y ago
That's not the equality I wanted.

elif 3y ago

Over a decade ago my wife was thru hiking and got caught in the smoke of a California wildfire. The ash scratched her corneas and her vision is still impacted to this day. It's definitely not something to take lightly, even if you wear a mask.

nemo44x 3y ago

People will be fine and no one is going to develop long term health issues from a couple days of smokey air. I feel bad for people with lung conditions as breathing was made more difficult for a bit but no one is dying from this. And what recourse? Who?

chimeracoder 3y ago
> People will be fine and no one is going to develop long term health issues from a couple days of smokey air. I feel bad for people with lung conditions as breathing was made more difficult for a bit but no one is dying from this. That's simply not true. People can, and do, develop long-term issues from acute exposure to bad air (that's literally why the range is called "Hazardous" on the AQI). Not to mention that one in ten New Yorkers has asthma, which means that yes, people can literally die from acute exposure to air pollution.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  > People can, and do, develop long-term issues from acute exposure to bad air Not for a day, no. At least not for what was going happening in the East Coast. It wasn't like ash and debris was flying through the air. It was like sitting around a campfire. People aren't that fragile. Now, hypochondriacs might think they are (and we have a growing population of those), but they simply aren't. Is it bad for someone with COPD? Yes, but the damage had already been done for years.
  - dahart 3y ago
    > It wasn’t like ash and debris was flying through the air. Isn’t that exactly what smoke is? It’s worse than visibly large particles, the small particles are more likely to get inside your lungs and do damage. > Not for a day, no. You might want to familiarize yourself with the evidence-based WHO air quality guidelines which sets standards based on short-term 8 & 24 hour exposure periods, and separate long-term recommendations for annual exposure. https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/what-are-the-who-air-quality-guidelines https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/what-ar... The recommended short-term 24 hour exposure levels are far below what NYC saw (as well as what many cities in the west have had for months at a time over the last ten years. These numbers are published based on the WHO’s ability to demonstrate that adverse health effects appear in the population when exposure exceeds these levels. The recommendations were lowered recently compared to their 2005 numbers because the studies and data and evidence have grown in the last 20 years and it shows that even mild levels of exposure result in more doctor’s visits, more lung conditions, more athsma, more damage and more risk.

bee_rider 3y ago

It mostly seems to have moved down to Pennsylvania at this point. Smoke happens, it is bad, but I’m sure everybody in the country gets it a couple times in their life (unless you live on Martha’s Vineyard or something).

chimeracoder 3y ago

> My heart goes out to new yorkers. This cannot be healthy. If there are long-standing health repercussions I doubt there will be any recourse they can take. It's not good, but it's far from the worst around. The peak AQI here in NYC was about 350, which is actually much lower than the average AQI in Delhi between November and January, for example. (Air pollution is highly seasonal). Effects of air pollution are cumulative, so the people who really suffer the most from it are the ones who experience this regularly, as opposed to historical anomalies like this.

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jgalt212 3y ago

Or you can live in the Colorado with fresh air, but way more UV exposure. There are always trade-offs.

zucked 3y ago
We've (Coloradoans)been dealing with wildfire smoke pretty much forever. On average our air quality is quite good, but fires in any of the PNW/SW states regularly impact our air quality during the spring, summer, and fall. We held the dubious title of worst air quality in the world for at least a day earlier this spring. It's been a little comical having this NYC air quality situation keep finding it's way into my news sources -- it's been a part of my life as long as I've been alive. I check the FireNow site as much as I check the weather during the warm month.
googlryas 3y ago
On the Front Range, where most people live in Colorado (~Denver + north and south 60 miles), the air quality can actually get pretty bad due to inversion, and this has been noted since pre-statehood. We also are lucky enough to get a lot of wild fire smoke from California, Canada, the PNW, as well as our own home sourced wildfires. Maybe 2 years ago it felt like the whole summer was smoky, and we had stretches where the AQI was 500+ here in Boulder. https://denvergazette.com/outtherecolorado/news/the-brown-cloud-denver-air-quality-concerns-date-back-to-1800s/article_67d52fbf-cf8b-5e9d-8b71-f38fca214fb4.html https://denvergazette.com/outtherecolorado/news/the-brown-cl...