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What if all the blackout communities move to an open source, community funded, community owned and run version of Apollo? I’d be happy to try and convince my 1

What if all the blackout communities move to an open source, community funded, community owned and run version of Apollo? I’d be happy to try and convince my 100k community to Apollo and if the UX is similar for web and mobile then I’m not sure switching costs would be that high during the blackout. I’d help fund it but all my money is wrapped up in my trash cooperative.

542458 3y ago
I haven’t seen a compelling OS alternative to Reddit yet. The ones I’ve seen have all either been big on decentralization at the expense of long load times and a lot of UI complexity, or big on 4chan-style dialogue with little moderation. Neither of those sounds like a great migration path. IMO this is the same problem “migrate off Twitter” efforts had.
- tester457 3y ago
  Have you seen Tildes? - incredible moderation and respectful community - you can't sort by controversial - non-profit, no investors can corrupt it - beautifully simple UI, better than old.reddit on mobile - fast and not decentralized - no images just text - open source - The site is the main mobile interface, not an app - No limits to logged-out browsing - Completely functional for browsing without javascript - Zero third-party scripts/assets during normal use - Uses modern versions of simple, reliable, "boring" technology https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy/site-implementation https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy/site-implementation
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    This looks interesting for sure thanks for the link
  - Goronmon 3y ago
    I want to like Tildes, but to be completely honest, it annoys me that the '~' character is used heavily. Both from a look perspective and a typing perspective. Maybe I could get used to it overtime, but we'll see if it ever becomes non-invite-only.
  - Engineering-MD 3y ago
    I’m interested in trying it. Do you have an invite link by any chance?
    - mostlysimilar 3y ago
      I can send you an invite if you put a means of communication on your profile for me to reach out to.
      - Engineering-MD 3y ago
        Please see updated profile and many thanks
        mostlysimilar 3y ago
        Sent!
      - ohghiZai 3y ago
        Interested to get on tildes too. Wondering if you still have any invites to send my way? Email in profile. Thanks!
  - 542458 3y ago
    That's by far the best Reddit alternative I've seen. Still, I feel that "no images just text" and "invite only" (although I 100% respect the rationale for both) make this a non-starter for any sort of mass-migration.
  - hawski 3y ago
    Why inability to sort by controversial is seen as a positive?
    - tester457 3y ago
      Prevents a community of people awarded for throwing rotten vegetables at people like Twitter and Reddit. > I also notice that there is no such thing as sort by controversy > This is one of the things I like about Tildes so far. An option like that is specifically designed for hate. I want to spend my time on these sites talking with other nerds about homelab stuff and niche 30 year old RPGs no one cares about. Not feel the urge to constantly validate myself by looking at comments people are metaphorically laughing at for being ridiculous https://tildes.net/~tech/15v5/stop_trying_to_make_a_good_social_media_site#comment-81ij https://tildes.net/~tech/15v5/stop_trying_to_make_a_good_soc...
      - hawski 3y ago
        Some threads on Reddit represent an echo chamber and I like then to sort by controversial to check if there are also people with a bit more divergent opinion. I was not aware of this being a wider problem for people.
      - whynaut 3y ago
        > An option like that is specifically designed for hate This is very short-sighted, I feel. The controversial comments often have the most interesting discussions, and helps to avoid the issue of the top-voted comment being a popular, but incorrect, view/discussion where all the activity happens.
- eterm 3y ago
  The effort I've seen pointed to a "recommended lemmy instances" page which had a wide range of things from the anodyne to the horrific. I can't think of much else that could have done a better job at putting me off from ever touching Lemmy than some of the descriptions of federations it "recommended". Also, by being open about how many people were federating in each community, it also made it clear that even the biggest server was smaller than most discords.
  - nulld3v 3y ago
    I don't think it's too bad, I see like one loli server but everything else looks reasonable.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  I don't disagree, but Twitter never had a site wide Billion user blackout If we blackout long enough and then figure out how to cooperate to create an actual community alternative in the blackout period, it could work Not easy and will take real leader with 80 hour a week work ethic for a year, and probably a few million dollars to start. However it would be an amazing groundbreaking feat
pbronez 3y ago
I was very confused about why you would tie your money up in a cooperative you think is run very poorly, then discovered it’s literally about waste management!
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Ha yes this is a common response when I say "My trash cooperative" sign of the times I suppose I should probably just say "recycling cooperative"
mcintyre1994 3y ago
Apollo isn’t a Reddit competitor, you’d have to build out the whole Reddit backend for it to talk to. Christian understandably said he’s not interested in working on that himself. If he open sourced the client and it could be forked to work with a Reddit competitor that’d be amazing, but I’m not sure if he plans to open source that.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Fair, however I think if we just assume that the community is what is important then we can bootstrap into a new "clean" architecture - but that's going to take leadership and someone with cash to spin everything up over the weekend basically. I think it's doable, but we need a leader to step up.
paulcole 3y ago
The founder of Apollo literally said in his shutdown announcement that he has 0 interest in what you’re describing.

542458 3y ago

I haven’t seen a compelling OS alternative to Reddit yet. The ones I’ve seen have all either been big on decentralization at the expense of long load times and a lot of UI complexity, or big on 4chan-style dialogue with little moderation. Neither of those sounds like a great migration path. IMO this is the same problem “migrate off Twitter” efforts had.

tester457 3y ago
Have you seen Tildes? - incredible moderation and respectful community - you can't sort by controversial - non-profit, no investors can corrupt it - beautifully simple UI, better than old.reddit on mobile - fast and not decentralized - no images just text - open source - The site is the main mobile interface, not an app - No limits to logged-out browsing - Completely functional for browsing without javascript - Zero third-party scripts/assets during normal use - Uses modern versions of simple, reliable, "boring" technology https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy/site-implementation https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy/site-implementation
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  This looks interesting for sure thanks for the link
- Goronmon 3y ago
  I want to like Tildes, but to be completely honest, it annoys me that the '~' character is used heavily. Both from a look perspective and a typing perspective. Maybe I could get used to it overtime, but we'll see if it ever becomes non-invite-only.
- Engineering-MD 3y ago
  I’m interested in trying it. Do you have an invite link by any chance?
  - mostlysimilar 3y ago
    I can send you an invite if you put a means of communication on your profile for me to reach out to.
    - Engineering-MD 3y ago
      Please see updated profile and many thanks
      - mostlysimilar 3y ago
        Sent!
    - ohghiZai 3y ago
      Interested to get on tildes too. Wondering if you still have any invites to send my way? Email in profile. Thanks!
- 542458 3y ago
  That's by far the best Reddit alternative I've seen. Still, I feel that "no images just text" and "invite only" (although I 100% respect the rationale for both) make this a non-starter for any sort of mass-migration.
- hawski 3y ago
  Why inability to sort by controversial is seen as a positive?
  - tester457 3y ago
    Prevents a community of people awarded for throwing rotten vegetables at people like Twitter and Reddit. > I also notice that there is no such thing as sort by controversy > This is one of the things I like about Tildes so far. An option like that is specifically designed for hate. I want to spend my time on these sites talking with other nerds about homelab stuff and niche 30 year old RPGs no one cares about. Not feel the urge to constantly validate myself by looking at comments people are metaphorically laughing at for being ridiculous https://tildes.net/~tech/15v5/stop_trying_to_make_a_good_social_media_site#comment-81ij https://tildes.net/~tech/15v5/stop_trying_to_make_a_good_soc...
    - hawski 3y ago
      Some threads on Reddit represent an echo chamber and I like then to sort by controversial to check if there are also people with a bit more divergent opinion. I was not aware of this being a wider problem for people.
    - whynaut 3y ago
      > An option like that is specifically designed for hate This is very short-sighted, I feel. The controversial comments often have the most interesting discussions, and helps to avoid the issue of the top-voted comment being a popular, but incorrect, view/discussion where all the activity happens.
eterm 3y ago
The effort I've seen pointed to a "recommended lemmy instances" page which had a wide range of things from the anodyne to the horrific. I can't think of much else that could have done a better job at putting me off from ever touching Lemmy than some of the descriptions of federations it "recommended". Also, by being open about how many people were federating in each community, it also made it clear that even the biggest server was smaller than most discords.
- nulld3v 3y ago
  I don't think it's too bad, I see like one loli server but everything else looks reasonable.
AndrewKemendo 3y ago
I don't disagree, but Twitter never had a site wide Billion user blackout If we blackout long enough and then figure out how to cooperate to create an actual community alternative in the blackout period, it could work Not easy and will take real leader with 80 hour a week work ethic for a year, and probably a few million dollars to start. However it would be an amazing groundbreaking feat

pbronez 3y ago

I was very confused about why you would tie your money up in a cooperative you think is run very poorly, then discovered it’s literally about waste management!

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Ha yes this is a common response when I say "My trash cooperative" sign of the times I suppose I should probably just say "recycling cooperative"

mcintyre1994 3y ago

Apollo isn’t a Reddit competitor, you’d have to build out the whole Reddit backend for it to talk to. Christian understandably said he’s not interested in working on that himself. If he open sourced the client and it could be forked to work with a Reddit competitor that’d be amazing, but I’m not sure if he plans to open source that.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Fair, however I think if we just assume that the community is what is important then we can bootstrap into a new "clean" architecture - but that's going to take leadership and someone with cash to spin everything up over the weekend basically. I think it's doable, but we need a leader to step up.

paulcole 3y ago

The founder of Apollo literally said in his shutdown announcement that he has 0 interest in what you’re describing.