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FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter h

by spaceman_2020 3y ago

FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage. If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust more - the one that has been hammering in its “privacy” credentials for years, or the one that incites riots and whose founder is memed to be a humanoid?

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rob74 3y ago
Yeah... Meta is now at risk of going the way of other "first movers" when Apple chose to enter their market. Companies like Rio and other makers of MP3 players before Apple came around with the iPod. Or companies like Blackberry, Nokia etc. that built smartphones long before the iPhone. Or companies like Pebble who introduced the first smartwatches. The list goes on and on...
dgellow 3y ago
Maybe the Vision will be what everybody want, but there is always space for “almost what you want but cheaper”. Mid range android phones are very popular worldwide. Mid range laptops too. I’m skeptical of VR promises, but if the industry grows Apple is likely to be the high end expensive option, but there will be great opportunities for other companies in the space. And oculus can offer very compelling products for a seventh of the price. Not that I want to see Facebook succeed in their goals. I personally find a cheaper option like the quest more interesting than the vision, at least on paper, but won’t ever use a product that forces me to have a Facebook account.
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- 411111111111111 3y ago
  Have you ever used a VR headset? I doubt there is ever going to be a budget headset with mass market appeal because they'd be incredibly nausea inducing. The Oculus quest is a perfect example. It's basically manufactured e-waste which is only getting bought because of the fantasy it ultimately doesn't live to.
  - dgellow 3y ago
    I believe I used 3-4 times an occulus headset. Not a quest, and that was years ago, I don’t remember the model. I haven’t really been interested by VR products, the only reason I find the quest kind of interesting is for beat saber, seems like a fun game to play. I cannot see myself using a headset more than 1h, and outside of gaming.
saiya-jin 3y ago
While I don't disagree completely with what you are saying, the form is lacking... emotional outbursts, ad-hominem attack. What will be or won't be will only time show, Apple had made flops too but managed to correct their mistakes. Now we have 0 concrete evidence. Let's compare real devices and their usefulness when they are on market, shall we?
HDThoreaun 3y ago
There is no reason to be worried about Apple monopolizing the market. They've never been interested in anything but the luxury segment, and meta is going the other direction. If anything this should help meta by growing mind share of VR/AR products. A $3,500 product is immediately off the table for probably 99% of people.
- r00fus 3y ago
  First Apple Watch Edition series 0 was > $1k, but successive releases essentially destroyed other platforms except for high end sports watches (Garmin, etc). Fitbit essentially died after a few years battling with Apple. The analogy for this product is less the iPhone than the Apple Watch (if they only release Edition on first run).
  - crakhamster01 3y ago
    The Apple watch started at $350, not $1k [0]. Also no one with an Android phone has an Apple Watch, which means Apple at best has ~27% of the market [1]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8162455/apple-watch-price-release-date-2015 https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8162455/apple-watch-price-... [1] https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/android-vs-apple-market-share/ https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/android-vs-apple-market-shar...

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rob74 3y ago

Yeah... Meta is now at risk of going the way of other "first movers" when Apple chose to enter their market. Companies like Rio and other makers of MP3 players before Apple came around with the iPod. Or companies like Blackberry, Nokia etc. that built smartphones long before the iPhone. Or companies like Pebble who introduced the first smartwatches. The list goes on and on...

dgellow 3y ago

Maybe the Vision will be what everybody want, but there is always space for “almost what you want but cheaper”. Mid range android phones are very popular worldwide. Mid range laptops too. I’m skeptical of VR promises, but if the industry grows Apple is likely to be the high end expensive option, but there will be great opportunities for other companies in the space. And oculus can offer very compelling products for a seventh of the price. Not that I want to see Facebook succeed in their goals. I personally find a cheaper option like the quest more interesting than the vision, at least on paper, but won’t ever use a product that forces me to have a Facebook account.

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411111111111111 3y ago
Have you ever used a VR headset? I doubt there is ever going to be a budget headset with mass market appeal because they'd be incredibly nausea inducing. The Oculus quest is a perfect example. It's basically manufactured e-waste which is only getting bought because of the fantasy it ultimately doesn't live to.
- dgellow 3y ago
  I believe I used 3-4 times an occulus headset. Not a quest, and that was years ago, I don’t remember the model. I haven’t really been interested by VR products, the only reason I find the quest kind of interesting is for beat saber, seems like a fun game to play. I cannot see myself using a headset more than 1h, and outside of gaming.

saiya-jin 3y ago

While I don't disagree completely with what you are saying, the form is lacking... emotional outbursts, ad-hominem attack. What will be or won't be will only time show, Apple had made flops too but managed to correct their mistakes. Now we have 0 concrete evidence. Let's compare real devices and their usefulness when they are on market, shall we?

HDThoreaun 3y ago

There is no reason to be worried about Apple monopolizing the market. They've never been interested in anything but the luxury segment, and meta is going the other direction. If anything this should help meta by growing mind share of VR/AR products. A $3,500 product is immediately off the table for probably 99% of people.

r00fus 3y ago
First Apple Watch Edition series 0 was > $1k, but successive releases essentially destroyed other platforms except for high end sports watches (Garmin, etc). Fitbit essentially died after a few years battling with Apple. The analogy for this product is less the iPhone than the Apple Watch (if they only release Edition on first run).
- crakhamster01 3y ago
  The Apple watch started at $350, not $1k [0]. Also no one with an Android phone has an Apple Watch, which means Apple at best has ~27% of the market [1]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8162455/apple-watch-price-release-date-2015 https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8162455/apple-watch-price-... [1] https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/android-vs-apple-market-share/ https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/android-vs-apple-market-shar...