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> Apple watch might last you 5-10 years Tiny ass battery + daily full charge discharge = toast well before 10 years If they actually cared about sustainabili

> Apple watch might last you 5-10 years Tiny ass battery + daily full charge discharge = toast well before 10 years If they actually cared about sustainability the screen and battery would be user replaceable

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches. While I'm with you in spirit, I'm not sure that's strictly accurate. The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593... The calculator version (which I use) is rated for three years, assuming you only let the alarm go off for 20 seconds per day, and use the calculator function for less than one hour per day: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3208.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw320...
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    You must be fun at parties. CASIO is known, and I can vouch for this from experience, to be very conservative with their numbers: with a quality cell 7 year battery life usually means about 10, 3 year battery life usually means around 5, 30m water resistance usually means over 50m in practice, 30seconds/month accuracy usually means around 10 or even less, etc.
    - alt227 3y ago
      Dude, we're all nerds. None of us are fun at parties. No need for the sarcasm!
  - moolcool 3y ago
    > The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right.
    - reaperducer 3y ago
      What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right. I'd say the Apple Watch is too new for anyone to know. I still use my six-year-old Apple Watch.
  - _thisdot 3y ago
    Clearly the selling point of F-91W is the price. I think most owners are comfortable with roughhousing their F-91W and just buying a new one
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    use the calculator function for less than one hour per day I really want to meet a person who is hammering away at the calculator function on their watch for more than an hour per day. That would clearly be the coolest person in the world.
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      I think people with calculator watches are way cooler in a sea of people with smartwatches.
    - deleted 3y ago
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- bookofjoe 3y ago
  Casio F-91W costs $16.96 here: https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-Digital-Sports-Watch/dp/B0791GKTFW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=11JB0BZDCH1WH&keywords=casio+f91w&qid=1686317010&sprefix=casio+f%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-Digital-Sports-Watch/dp/B0...
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    I know Americans enjoy the lowest consumers electronics prices in the world but in Europe it's at least 20 Euros which is more than 20 USD and even at 20 euros it's difficult to find, with most shops asking for more than that.
    - bookofjoe 3y ago
      Indeed. €28.86 = $31.08 USD at Amazon Germany: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Black-Digital/dp/B000GAWSDG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3BI8GO78LBUA1&keywords=Casio+F-91W&qid=1686318099&sprefix=casio+f-91w%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Black-Digita... SEK 587.14 = $54.23 USD at Amazon Sweden: https://www.amazon.se/Casio-Herrar-Digitalklocka-hartsrem-F-91W-1/dp/B000J34HN4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2IT1I66L8H4HI&keywords=Casio+F-91W&qid=1686319002&sprefix=casio+f-91w%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-5 https://www.amazon.se/Casio-Herrar-Digitalklocka-hartsrem-F-...
      - laurencerowe 3y ago
        Partly this is that Amazon isn’t as cheap in Europe. It’s £10.99 ($13.81) including 20% VAT at Argos in the UK.
        ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        That's true, but in continental Europe I definitely can't find it under 20 Eruos in any shop. UK is also an exception for low consumer prices.
    - drivers99 3y ago
      I remember paying $7 for mine at Walmart. It was on clearance.
- laurencerowe 3y ago
  The F-91W is the only watch I’ve owned in the past 20 years but I mostly go without since the strap breaks after a year or two.
itissid 3y ago
Apple always has had this tussle between making things repairable and sustainable vs selling more of stuff. It does not have to be this way. Don't they make a log of money from non hardware services. I heard apple pay rakes in close to 800m $
- FredPret 3y ago
  According to this [0] Apple made 93 b over the past four quarters. The Apple watch is bigger than the entire Swiss watch industry [1] but still a minor part of Apple. My point being that they’d have to sell a hell of a lot of services to outpace the iPhone, and those services are mostly popular because they integrate into the iPhone. And people want the new shiny ones. [0] https://ultimatestockpicker.com/company-detail/AAPL/ https://ultimatestockpicker.com/company-detail/AAPL/ [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertanaas/2020/02/07/apple-watches-outsell-entire-swiss-watch-industry-but-dont-ring-the-death-bell-yet/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertanaas/2020/02/07/apple-wa...
Analemma_ 3y ago
Battery replacement service through Apple is $80, which is not an unreasonable amount for a once-every-four-years repair; between the parts required and the expected probability of screwing it up and damaging it, you wouldn't really be saving any money doing it yourself.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.

reaperducer 3y ago
The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches. While I'm with you in spirit, I'm not sure that's strictly accurate. The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593... The calculator version (which I use) is rated for three years, assuming you only let the alarm go off for 20 seconds per day, and use the calculator function for less than one hour per day: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3208.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw320...
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  You must be fun at parties. CASIO is known, and I can vouch for this from experience, to be very conservative with their numbers: with a quality cell 7 year battery life usually means about 10, 3 year battery life usually means around 5, 30m water resistance usually means over 50m in practice, 30seconds/month accuracy usually means around 10 or even less, etc.
  - alt227 3y ago
    Dude, we're all nerds. None of us are fun at parties. No need for the sarcasm!
- moolcool 3y ago
  > The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right.
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right. I'd say the Apple Watch is too new for anyone to know. I still use my six-year-old Apple Watch.
- _thisdot 3y ago
  Clearly the selling point of F-91W is the price. I think most owners are comfortable with roughhousing their F-91W and just buying a new one
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  use the calculator function for less than one hour per day I really want to meet a person who is hammering away at the calculator function on their watch for more than an hour per day. That would clearly be the coolest person in the world.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    I think people with calculator watches are way cooler in a sea of people with smartwatches.
  - deleted 3y ago
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bookofjoe 3y ago
Casio F-91W costs $16.96 here: https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-Digital-Sports-Watch/dp/B0791GKTFW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=11JB0BZDCH1WH&keywords=casio+f91w&qid=1686317010&sprefix=casio+f%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-Digital-Sports-Watch/dp/B0...
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  I know Americans enjoy the lowest consumers electronics prices in the world but in Europe it's at least 20 Euros which is more than 20 USD and even at 20 euros it's difficult to find, with most shops asking for more than that.
  - bookofjoe 3y ago
    Indeed. €28.86 = $31.08 USD at Amazon Germany: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Black-Digital/dp/B000GAWSDG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3BI8GO78LBUA1&keywords=Casio+F-91W&qid=1686318099&sprefix=casio+f-91w%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Black-Digita... SEK 587.14 = $54.23 USD at Amazon Sweden: https://www.amazon.se/Casio-Herrar-Digitalklocka-hartsrem-F-91W-1/dp/B000J34HN4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2IT1I66L8H4HI&keywords=Casio+F-91W&qid=1686319002&sprefix=casio+f-91w%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-5 https://www.amazon.se/Casio-Herrar-Digitalklocka-hartsrem-F-...
    - laurencerowe 3y ago
      Partly this is that Amazon isn’t as cheap in Europe. It’s £10.99 ($13.81) including 20% VAT at Argos in the UK.
      - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        That's true, but in continental Europe I definitely can't find it under 20 Eruos in any shop. UK is also an exception for low consumer prices.
  - drivers99 3y ago
    I remember paying $7 for mine at Walmart. It was on clearance.
laurencerowe 3y ago
The F-91W is the only watch I’ve owned in the past 20 years but I mostly go without since the strap breaks after a year or two.

itissid 3y ago

Apple always has had this tussle between making things repairable and sustainable vs selling more of stuff. It does not have to be this way. Don't they make a log of money from non hardware services. I heard apple pay rakes in close to 800m $

FredPret 3y ago
According to this [0] Apple made 93 b over the past four quarters. The Apple watch is bigger than the entire Swiss watch industry [1] but still a minor part of Apple. My point being that they’d have to sell a hell of a lot of services to outpace the iPhone, and those services are mostly popular because they integrate into the iPhone. And people want the new shiny ones. [0] https://ultimatestockpicker.com/company-detail/AAPL/ https://ultimatestockpicker.com/company-detail/AAPL/ [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertanaas/2020/02/07/apple-watches-outsell-entire-swiss-watch-industry-but-dont-ring-the-death-bell-yet/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertanaas/2020/02/07/apple-wa...

Analemma_ 3y ago

Battery replacement service through Apple is $80, which is not an unreasonable amount for a once-every-four-years repair; between the parts required and the expected probability of screwing it up and damaging it, you wouldn't really be saving any money doing it yourself.