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So are the web apps having better returns?

by mrtksn 3y ago

taneq 3y ago
Better expected returns, from the sounds of it, since they’re not at risk of being arbitrarily sin-binned without recourse.
- lionkor 3y ago
  You're absolutely at risk of this. If you're added to the big bad google blocklist that all major browsers use, which of course is automated, anyone visiting your website will get a big red screen saying "this is a scam please run away". This happened to my own gitlab instance, which sees around 5 unique visitors a year, and it has happened to popular websites. The only recourse is to report the issue to google, who, if they feel so kind, will unblock your domain again. Oh, maybe I didn't mention - this block applies to the entire domain. I had the gitlab on git.example.com, and so *.example.com and example.com were all blocked entirely, on all browsers, for everyone in the world. Yes, you can click on a button, and then a tiny link that says "im ok with getting shafted by this scam site" or some such shit.
  - 4pkjai 3y ago
    Very true, the majority of my new users find my web app through Google search. If Google decided to remove me from their search results I would lose a large amount of revenue.
  - manmal 3y ago
    Out of curiosity, does Google also cross-link with the dev‘s Google account? Domain A gets punished, then all other Domains of the dev get punished too? (eg when connected via ads or search console)
    - lionkor 3y ago
      No idea, but fairly easy to test - seems to me like it flags self hosted stuff like gitlab as it looks like a phishing site is targeting gitlab users. Not sure what triggers it, but that's the only needed preconditions i know of
- mrtksn 3y ago
  A lemon market can be worse than being banned from a market. When banned, at least you can start over or comply to get back in. When its a lemon market, there's no good market. My observation is that the web has become a lemon market and I'm curious if I'm wrong about it. Also, you can definitely get banned from the web, be it through being banned from the discovery channels or regulators. You can get banned from Twitter/Reddit/Google etc. and loose your your discovery channels and you can get banned from Gmail and lose your communication channels, you can get banned from Google/Apple/Twitter and lose your account providers.
  - roomey 3y ago
    I added a fediverse plugin to my wordpress blog and then just boost it when I post. I mean, I get like 100 views, but that's ok for me. The reason I'm saying this is because it feels like for the first time in a long time there is alternatives to "big web"
  - taneq 3y ago
    I'm not saying Google shouldn't police their app store at all, I'm just saying that the current "algo-ban and blackhole" strategy is a losing game for content creators and I'd never get into it.
  - onetokeoverthe 3y ago
    [dead]
4pkjai 3y ago
I built the Android app in 2013, and my best selling web app in 2021. The web app has just gotten beyond the $10,000 USD monthly recurring revenue metric. About the same really.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Thanks, how this compares to the iOS app?
- mysterydip 3y ago
  Is your app something always used online? Is there a way to use the web app offline for those who are away from internet access but still want the functionality?
  - 4pkjai 3y ago
    No it requires an internet connection to use my app. I could make an offline version, but it's not something many users are asking for.
- 300bps 3y ago
  Looked up your submission history and found your site pretty quickly. Bravo, my friend - you created a service I didn't even know people needed and you're completely rocking it. Great job!

So are the web apps having better returns?

by mrtksn 3y ago

So are the web apps having better returns?

Better expected returns, from the sounds of it, since they’re not at risk of being arbitrarily sin-binned without recourse.

lionkor 3y ago
You're absolutely at risk of this. If you're added to the big bad google blocklist that all major browsers use, which of course is automated, anyone visiting your website will get a big red screen saying "this is a scam please run away". This happened to my own gitlab instance, which sees around 5 unique visitors a year, and it has happened to popular websites. The only recourse is to report the issue to google, who, if they feel so kind, will unblock your domain again. Oh, maybe I didn't mention - this block applies to the entire domain. I had the gitlab on git.example.com, and so *.example.com and example.com were all blocked entirely, on all browsers, for everyone in the world. Yes, you can click on a button, and then a tiny link that says "im ok with getting shafted by this scam site" or some such shit.
- 4pkjai 3y ago
  Very true, the majority of my new users find my web app through Google search. If Google decided to remove me from their search results I would lose a large amount of revenue.
- manmal 3y ago
  Out of curiosity, does Google also cross-link with the dev‘s Google account? Domain A gets punished, then all other Domains of the dev get punished too? (eg when connected via ads or search console)
  - lionkor 3y ago
    No idea, but fairly easy to test - seems to me like it flags self hosted stuff like gitlab as it looks like a phishing site is targeting gitlab users. Not sure what triggers it, but that's the only needed preconditions i know of
mrtksn 3y ago
A lemon market can be worse than being banned from a market. When banned, at least you can start over or comply to get back in. When its a lemon market, there's no good market. My observation is that the web has become a lemon market and I'm curious if I'm wrong about it. Also, you can definitely get banned from the web, be it through being banned from the discovery channels or regulators. You can get banned from Twitter/Reddit/Google etc. and loose your your discovery channels and you can get banned from Gmail and lose your communication channels, you can get banned from Google/Apple/Twitter and lose your account providers.
- roomey 3y ago
  I added a fediverse plugin to my wordpress blog and then just boost it when I post. I mean, I get like 100 views, but that's ok for me. The reason I'm saying this is because it feels like for the first time in a long time there is alternatives to "big web"
- taneq 3y ago
  I'm not saying Google shouldn't police their app store at all, I'm just saying that the current "algo-ban and blackhole" strategy is a losing game for content creators and I'd never get into it.
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago
  [dead]

4pkjai 3y ago

I built the Android app in 2013, and my best selling web app in 2021. The web app has just gotten beyond the $10,000 USD monthly recurring revenue metric. About the same really.

mrtksn 3y ago
Thanks, how this compares to the iOS app?
mysterydip 3y ago
Is your app something always used online? Is there a way to use the web app offline for those who are away from internet access but still want the functionality?
- 4pkjai 3y ago
  No it requires an internet connection to use my app. I could make an offline version, but it's not something many users are asking for.
300bps 3y ago
Looked up your submission history and found your site pretty quickly. Bravo, my friend - you created a service I didn't even know people needed and you're completely rocking it. Great job!