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Excellent points! I'd like to add that while your Apple watch might last you 5-10 years, a mechanical watch well looked-after can last several lifetimes. I'm cu

Excellent points! I'd like to add that while your Apple watch might last you 5-10 years, a mechanical watch well looked-after can last several lifetimes. I'm currently daily-driving an automatic watch from the mid-60s that still somehow looks pristine and keeps excellent time (for a mechanical, that is). I expect this watch to outlive me.

subhro 3y ago
5-10 years... wishful thinking, that's all I am going to say.
- ladberg 3y ago
  Is it? I have a nearly 5 year old Apple Watch (series 4) on my wrist and I've never had any issues with it. I'll probably replace it when a new watch comes out with a feature I really want (unlikely) or the battery stops lasting a full day, which might take a few more years as I don't even get close to running out unless I forget to charge it overnight.
NanoRobotGeek 3y ago
I kinda screwed it up taking it apart. Didnt have any oil to add back and rusted one of the gears a bit. Goal is still longer than 5 years and probably an easy 10-20
- fellerts 3y ago
  I take it you didn't want to fall into the rabbit hole that is watch servicing, cleaning and lubrication? That's a deep and expensive one, especially for automatics... Might I suggest you reach out to Marshall @WristwatchRevival and ask if he wants to give it a proper service? I'm sure he'd be delighted by this project. Edit: you say "I glued the movement to the dial". That sounds like the dial will never come off, making servicing night impossible, or am I misunderstanding this? Also: "in a normal watch the dial would get sandwiched between the glass and the case somehow" no, typically there are holes drilled through the mainplate with screws that grab or hold the dial feet. The movement complete with dial and hands normally floats in the case, held in place with a couple screws.
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    +1 to Marshall! I watch his magic podcast but that guy fucking rocks!
  - NanoRobotGeek 3y ago
    Didn't really know if it would work until the end so didn't want to sink even more time and money in. That watch oil is bloody expensive. I'm sure he would be but I think he must get lots of requests and I am not sure it is his usual victim for a repair =) It is glued with B7000 glue commonly used for phone repairs and the same glue used on the back glass. It softens right up with some heat and isopropyl alcohol. True, thank you for that I will change it in the write up. I was thinking mostly of these Seiko movements which to my understanding are normally just sandwiched by the case back but that is certainly not the norm across other watches.
lm28469 3y ago
> Apple watch might last you 5-10 years Tiny ass battery + daily full charge discharge = toast well before 10 years If they actually cared about sustainability the screen and battery would be user replaceable
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches. While I'm with you in spirit, I'm not sure that's strictly accurate. The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593... The calculator version (which I use) is rated for three years, assuming you only let the alarm go off for 20 seconds per day, and use the calculator function for less than one hour per day: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3208.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw320...
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      You must be fun at parties. CASIO is known, and I can vouch for this from experience, to be very conservative with their numbers: with a quality cell 7 year battery life usually means about 10, 3 year battery life usually means around 5, 30m water resistance usually means over 50m in practice, 30seconds/month accuracy usually means around 10 or even less, etc.
      - alt227 3y ago
        Dude, we're all nerds. None of us are fun at parties. No need for the sarcasm!
    - moolcool 3y ago
yourusername 3y ago
Did that watch survive from the 60s without service? If you need to have a vintage watch like that serviced it would cost about the same as buying a new apple watch. Some of these old watches can also become a bit of a ship of theseus. It's a 60's watch with a new crystal,mainspring and rotor.
- fellerts 3y ago
  I serviced it myself a few months ago. It definitely needed a new crystal, but the movement was in very good condition. I didn't even replace the mainspring. Some pictures here: https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/25437-first-successful-service-luvaco-chronometer/#comment-209104 https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/25437-first-successful...
- hoosieree 3y ago
  A watch from the 60s can still be serviced today (80 years later). An apple watch will intentionally brick itself (to preserve battery life, honest) after 8 years.
  - fellerts 3y ago
    Now just can -- when disassembling a mechanical wristwatch you realize that these things were built with serviceability in mind. There's no glue, everything comes apart with ease. That's one of the main reasons for my fascination with them. How many other things in our daily lives are built like this?
- dabluecaboose 3y ago
  Under relatively normal wear, the only parts that should be replaced are the crystal, mainspring, and rotor. That's 3 wear parts, not exactly a "ship of theseus". If something is broken, sure. It might need replacing. But that's rarer, I think, than people realize, and rarely is it more than one or two parts of the movement. I recently repaired my great-grandfather's pocket watch and the only replacement necessary was the mainspring.
- wazoox 3y ago

subhro 3y ago

5-10 years... wishful thinking, that's all I am going to say.

ladberg 3y ago
Is it? I have a nearly 5 year old Apple Watch (series 4) on my wrist and I've never had any issues with it. I'll probably replace it when a new watch comes out with a feature I really want (unlikely) or the battery stops lasting a full day, which might take a few more years as I don't even get close to running out unless I forget to charge it overnight.

NanoRobotGeek 3y ago

I kinda screwed it up taking it apart. Didnt have any oil to add back and rusted one of the gears a bit. Goal is still longer than 5 years and probably an easy 10-20

fellerts 3y ago
I take it you didn't want to fall into the rabbit hole that is watch servicing, cleaning and lubrication? That's a deep and expensive one, especially for automatics... Might I suggest you reach out to Marshall @WristwatchRevival and ask if he wants to give it a proper service? I'm sure he'd be delighted by this project. Edit: you say "I glued the movement to the dial". That sounds like the dial will never come off, making servicing night impossible, or am I misunderstanding this? Also: "in a normal watch the dial would get sandwiched between the glass and the case somehow" no, typically there are holes drilled through the mainplate with screws that grab or hold the dial feet. The movement complete with dial and hands normally floats in the case, held in place with a couple screws.
- snapcaster 3y ago
  +1 to Marshall! I watch his magic podcast but that guy fucking rocks!
- NanoRobotGeek 3y ago
  Didn't really know if it would work until the end so didn't want to sink even more time and money in. That watch oil is bloody expensive. I'm sure he would be but I think he must get lots of requests and I am not sure it is his usual victim for a repair =) It is glued with B7000 glue commonly used for phone repairs and the same glue used on the back glass. It softens right up with some heat and isopropyl alcohol. True, thank you for that I will change it in the write up. I was thinking mostly of these Seiko movements which to my understanding are normally just sandwiched by the case back but that is certainly not the norm across other watches.

lm28469 3y ago

> Apple watch might last you 5-10 years Tiny ass battery + daily full charge discharge = toast well before 10 years If they actually cared about sustainability the screen and battery would be user replaceable

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches. While I'm with you in spirit, I'm not sure that's strictly accurate. The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593... The calculator version (which I use) is rated for three years, assuming you only let the alarm go off for 20 seconds per day, and use the calculator function for less than one hour per day: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw3208.pdf https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw320...
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    You must be fun at parties. CASIO is known, and I can vouch for this from experience, to be very conservative with their numbers: with a quality cell 7 year battery life usually means about 10, 3 year battery life usually means around 5, 30m water resistance usually means over 50m in practice, 30seconds/month accuracy usually means around 10 or even less, etc.
    - alt227 3y ago
      Dude, we're all nerds. None of us are fun at parties. No need for the sarcasm!
  - moolcool 3y ago

yourusername 3y ago

Did that watch survive from the 60s without service? If you need to have a vintage watch like that serviced it would cost about the same as buying a new apple watch. Some of these old watches can also become a bit of a ship of theseus. It's a 60's watch with a new crystal,mainspring and rotor.

fellerts 3y ago
I serviced it myself a few months ago. It definitely needed a new crystal, but the movement was in very good condition. I didn't even replace the mainspring. Some pictures here: https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/25437-first-successful-service-luvaco-chronometer/#comment-209104 https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/25437-first-successful...
hoosieree 3y ago
A watch from the 60s can still be serviced today (80 years later). An apple watch will intentionally brick itself (to preserve battery life, honest) after 8 years.
- fellerts 3y ago
  Now just can -- when disassembling a mechanical wristwatch you realize that these things were built with serviceability in mind. There's no glue, everything comes apart with ease. That's one of the main reasons for my fascination with them. How many other things in our daily lives are built like this?
dabluecaboose 3y ago
Under relatively normal wear, the only parts that should be replaced are the crystal, mainspring, and rotor. That's 3 wear parts, not exactly a "ship of theseus". If something is broken, sure. It might need replacing. But that's rarer, I think, than people realize, and rarely is it more than one or two parts of the movement. I recently repaired my great-grandfather's pocket watch and the only replacement necessary was the mainspring.
wazoox 3y ago