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> What’s the scientific discovery in the last five years that’s responsible for medical experts saying that “men can give birth” when they didn’t before? "Woke

> What’s the scientific discovery in the last five years that’s responsible for medical experts saying that “men can give birth” when they didn’t before? "Woke" people think that gender identity != sex, and the word man is (or at least, should be) a pointer to the former. "Anti-woke" or "non-woke" people believe that gender identity doesn't exist, or that gender identity == sex, and therefore the word man must be a pointer to the latter. That literally explains this entire bullshit debate that I keep having to listen to over and over again.

rayiner 3y ago
OP invoked “medical experts”—what I’m trying to get at is what expertise is being invoked exactly. What’s the relevant scientific development (apparently in the last decade) that would change how experts define the term, that lay people might not have access to? To my knowledge, medical experts have been aware of the relevant biological and psychological factors for quite some time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence. What’s changed that causes the experts to use the terminology differently today than they did a decade ago?
- hackerlight 3y ago
  > What’s the relevant scientific development that would change how experts define the term Changes in terminology can also come from changes in culture and/or values. The word "retard" not being used in medical circles is an example. But if we have to point to a specific scientific development, there have been a lot of recent studies on trans which has grown the knowledge base as well as increased cultural awareness among medical experts of trans. Referring to people by their desired pronoun can be thought of as attempting to avoid their alienation in the spirit of not doing harm.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    > Changes in terminology can also come from changes in culture and/or values. I agree that the change in terminology is coming from "changes in culture and/or values" among "medical experts." But that's not an exercise of their medical expertise, right? The culture and/or values of the Dean of the Medical Faculty at Johns Hopkins isn't entitled to any more defense than those of a janitor in that facility, right?
    - hackerlight 3y ago
      It may be an exercise of their expertise if that change in culture was partly caused by recent medical research findings into trans, such as the propensity for depression due to alienation, or the efficacy of "gender-affirming care" at reducing depression. I'm not an expert in the history of the field, or the literature, but I wouldn't dismiss the proposition out of hand.

rayiner 3y ago

OP invoked “medical experts”—what I’m trying to get at is what expertise is being invoked exactly. What’s the relevant scientific development (apparently in the last decade) that would change how experts define the term, that lay people might not have access to? To my knowledge, medical experts have been aware of the relevant biological and psychological factors for quite some time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence. What’s changed that causes the experts to use the terminology differently today than they did a decade ago?

hackerlight 3y ago
> What’s the relevant scientific development that would change how experts define the term Changes in terminology can also come from changes in culture and/or values. The word "retard" not being used in medical circles is an example. But if we have to point to a specific scientific development, there have been a lot of recent studies on trans which has grown the knowledge base as well as increased cultural awareness among medical experts of trans. Referring to people by their desired pronoun can be thought of as attempting to avoid their alienation in the spirit of not doing harm.
- rayiner 3y ago
  > Changes in terminology can also come from changes in culture and/or values. I agree that the change in terminology is coming from "changes in culture and/or values" among "medical experts." But that's not an exercise of their medical expertise, right? The culture and/or values of the Dean of the Medical Faculty at Johns Hopkins isn't entitled to any more defense than those of a janitor in that facility, right?
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    It may be an exercise of their expertise if that change in culture was partly caused by recent medical research findings into trans, such as the propensity for depression due to alienation, or the efficacy of "gender-affirming care" at reducing depression. I'm not an expert in the history of the field, or the literature, but I wouldn't dismiss the proposition out of hand.