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If your respect for people craters once you discover they don’t subscribe to the woke agenda, prepare to have your worldview shattered, not by me but just by ho

If your respect for people craters once you discover they don’t subscribe to the woke agenda, prepare to have your worldview shattered, not by me but just by how the future develops. Woke is a fad, not everyone agrees, not every reasonable person agrees, many reasonable people see that it is a fad and do not agree, it’s a fad so once the hype dies down it’s going to fade away and be a marginal line of thinking for radical activists. In woke everyone can be canceled at any time. In the long run, that just doesn’t work out.

hackerlight 3y ago
> Woke is a fad I wouldn't be so sure. People's values change over time, and new taboos develop. Sometimes permanently. I don't have to name examples because they're obvious.
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  Yes, some of the issues woke screeches about are perfectly valid issues. That’s why perfectly reasonable people believe in it. But woke as this ‘the only right ideology, cancel everyone with a different opinion, no one is allowed to go to a conference that doesn’t agree, everyone that disagrees is crazy’ is a fad and obviously unsustainable. Woke does not have all the answers but it does try to make it impossible to discuss things, so it makes it impossible to find the answers. The adherents of woke are very loud and talking loudly can drown out other voices. But it doesn’t make them right.
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    > But woke as this ‘the only right ideology, cancel everyone with a different opinion, no one is allowed to go to a conference that doesn’t agree, everyone that disagrees is crazy’ is a fad and obviously unsustainable. How do we know? A lot of people used to screech about slavery being bad, if I was a slaveowner I could have used the same logic that you're using and I would have been wrong. There are many other examples.
    - tinus_hn 3y ago
      That’s why I say the problem is not with the issues themselves, the problem is with woke killing the discussion by attempting to silence anyone who doesn’t agree. If the points are valid, they don’t need the protection of cancel culture, they can stand up to criticism. But in reality the points really aren’t that clear cut and beyond debate.

hackerlight 3y ago

> Woke is a fad I wouldn't be so sure. People's values change over time, and new taboos develop. Sometimes permanently. I don't have to name examples because they're obvious.

tinus_hn 3y ago
Yes, some of the issues woke screeches about are perfectly valid issues. That’s why perfectly reasonable people believe in it. But woke as this ‘the only right ideology, cancel everyone with a different opinion, no one is allowed to go to a conference that doesn’t agree, everyone that disagrees is crazy’ is a fad and obviously unsustainable. Woke does not have all the answers but it does try to make it impossible to discuss things, so it makes it impossible to find the answers. The adherents of woke are very loud and talking loudly can drown out other voices. But it doesn’t make them right.
- hackerlight 3y ago
  > But woke as this ‘the only right ideology, cancel everyone with a different opinion, no one is allowed to go to a conference that doesn’t agree, everyone that disagrees is crazy’ is a fad and obviously unsustainable. How do we know? A lot of people used to screech about slavery being bad, if I was a slaveowner I could have used the same logic that you're using and I would have been wrong. There are many other examples.
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    That’s why I say the problem is not with the issues themselves, the problem is with woke killing the discussion by attempting to silence anyone who doesn’t agree. If the points are valid, they don’t need the protection of cancel culture, they can stand up to criticism. But in reality the points really aren’t that clear cut and beyond debate.