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$3500 is pretty cheap for the HW it provides. An iPhone 14 Pro Max starts at $1100 and has nowhere near the HW that this device has, let alone the economics of

by websap 3y ago

$3500 is pretty cheap for the HW it provides. An iPhone 14 Pro Max starts at $1100 and has nowhere near the HW that this device has, let alone the economics of scale.

pzo 3y ago
lots of technologies in those vision Pro are similar components as in those iphones and ipads. If you take 2 iphone 14 pro (total cost 2x$1000=$2000) you get: - 2x OLED screens - 2x lidar camera - 2x truedepth camera module - 2x4=8 RGB cameras with very high spec - 2x A15 chip - 2x accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer, barometer, proxmity, ambient sensors - 2x gps, wifi, bluetooth, nfc, uwb, 3g/4g/5g - 2x flash led - 2x batteries - 2x stereo speakers - 2x3=6 microphones They already have crazy profit margin on iphones. I think if they would price it at $2500 this would make more sense. If they would allow to run full MacOS on this thing and I could use it just as Mac Mini replacement and attach physical external display via hdmi out then I could easier stomach $3500 price.
- gorbypark 3y ago
  I kind of think having the compute power combined with the external battery would have been pretty slick. An AR head unit combined with a portable Mac mini would be pretty compelling at $3500. Give it the ability to be a MacOS desktop when plugged into a regular monitor and I would buy one for sure!
- zimpenfish 3y ago
  > 2x OLED screens Not quite the same ballpark, is it? iPhone 14 Pro resolution is 2556×1179 at 460ppi. Vision Pro is believed to have 3800x3000 at 3400ppi. That's almost an order of magnitude improvement in density over the iPhone screens (and 3x the density of the Quest Pro or the PSVR2.)
  - pzo 3y ago
    Sure those are very hight DPI screens I agree. So then take the price of ipad pro 11. Even cheaper than iphone 14 pro and has most of those components I mentioned above (excluding 3g/4g/5g). 2x ipad pro 11 == 2x $800 = $1600. Does it really cost apple ~$1000 or even $500 per such 3400ppi screen to justify such price? And regarding screen resolution very old Sony Experia 1 (from 2019) had 4k resolution (1644 x 3840 pixels at 650dpi): https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1-9543.php https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1-9543.php
    - zimpenfish 3y ago
      > Does it really cost apple ~$1000 or even $500 per such 3400ppi screen to justify such price? I can easily imagine that for a relatively new technology with a ppi much higher than anything commercially available (as far as I can find through searching) that they are getting on for $1k each at the moment, yeah.
ChrisLTD 3y ago
The question is not whether the parts add up to $3,500 worth of tech, but whether the tech provides $3,500 worth of value to the buyer.

by websap 3y ago

$3500 is pretty cheap for the HW it provides. An iPhone 14 Pro Max starts at $1100 and has nowhere near the HW that this device has, let alone the economics of scale.

pzo 3y ago

lots of technologies in those vision Pro are similar components as in those iphones and ipads. If you take 2 iphone 14 pro (total cost 2x$1000=$2000) you get: - 2x OLED screens - 2x lidar camera - 2x truedepth camera module - 2x4=8 RGB cameras with very high spec - 2x A15 chip - 2x accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer, barometer, proxmity, ambient sensors - 2x gps, wifi, bluetooth, nfc, uwb, 3g/4g/5g - 2x flash led - 2x batteries - 2x stereo speakers - 2x3=6 microphones They already have crazy profit margin on iphones. I think if they would price it at $2500 this would make more sense. If they would allow to run full MacOS on this thing and I could use it just as Mac Mini replacement and attach physical external display via hdmi out then I could easier stomach $3500 price.

gorbypark 3y ago
I kind of think having the compute power combined with the external battery would have been pretty slick. An AR head unit combined with a portable Mac mini would be pretty compelling at $3500. Give it the ability to be a MacOS desktop when plugged into a regular monitor and I would buy one for sure!
zimpenfish 3y ago
> 2x OLED screens Not quite the same ballpark, is it? iPhone 14 Pro resolution is 2556×1179 at 460ppi. Vision Pro is believed to have 3800x3000 at 3400ppi. That's almost an order of magnitude improvement in density over the iPhone screens (and 3x the density of the Quest Pro or the PSVR2.)
- pzo 3y ago
  Sure those are very hight DPI screens I agree. So then take the price of ipad pro 11. Even cheaper than iphone 14 pro and has most of those components I mentioned above (excluding 3g/4g/5g). 2x ipad pro 11 == 2x $800 = $1600. Does it really cost apple ~$1000 or even $500 per such 3400ppi screen to justify such price? And regarding screen resolution very old Sony Experia 1 (from 2019) had 4k resolution (1644 x 3840 pixels at 650dpi): https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1-9543.php https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1-9543.php
  - zimpenfish 3y ago
    > Does it really cost apple ~$1000 or even $500 per such 3400ppi screen to justify such price? I can easily imagine that for a relatively new technology with a ppi much higher than anything commercially available (as far as I can find through searching) that they are getting on for $1k each at the moment, yeah.

ChrisLTD 3y ago

The question is not whether the parts add up to $3,500 worth of tech, but whether the tech provides $3,500 worth of value to the buyer.