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> on top of the worst way of working which is in-office. It's funny how both sides of this debate present their opinions as fact

Foobar8568 3y ago
Hotdesk is the biggest bullshit ever. Can you imagine arriving at your office having to think, will I be able to seat next to team? Having to do conference call because no meeting room available just for the poor guy who cannot be there by 8? Best part, people consider their desks as they own it, I have seen people moving stuff just because some dared to seat there before they arrive with management approval.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  Did you note the portion of the comment I specifically quoted? Because nowhere does it discuss hot desks.
- sulam 3y ago
  This is not what Google is doing.
bbor 3y ago
It _is_ objectively true that WFH is better for the environment. But oh well, so far wildfires are contained to just wildfire season, so not a big deal :))))))
- chaostheory 3y ago
  Yeah, people forget about the energy and pollution costs of forcing everyone to commute. Even if you drive an EV, there’s still pollution from tires. Given that we’ve proven that remote work is viable even without next gen AR VR devices, a lot of corporate PR supporting the environment feels very empty when we learn their stance on remote work
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- riffraff 3y ago
  WFH may be better for the environment but that is a different thing than "the best way of working". I've been remote for 14 years, I love it, but I've worked with plenty of people who didn't and went back to an office.
  - bbor 3y ago
    Define "best" I suppose - best for corporate efficiency or best for human thriving? But yeah fair can't argue that it relates to efficiency.
    - alex_lav 3y ago
      The entire concept of capitalist "work" is in opposition to human thriving
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    > I've been remote for 14 years, I love it, but I've worked with plenty of people who didn't and went back to an office. I've seen this level of reasonability probably less than 10 times when the remote vs. office debate breaks out. It's a real shame that sites like HN behave identically to twitter and reddit wrt actual conversation and debate about working environments.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > But oh well, so far wildfires are contained to just wildfire season, so not a big deal We just added a month and a half to wildfire season, just to keep that true!
- alex_lav 3y ago
  If you move the goalposts or are vague enough, anything can be true. Working from home is worse for the environment than abolishing capitalism, which is the driving force behind global warming. See? Conversation is useless if we ignore context or intent.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    It’s not like the USSR cared about the environment even the tiniest bit.. Under capitalism at least you get free speech and therefore some public pressure to impose various regulations.
    - bbor 3y ago
      Capitalism has nothing to do with freedom of speech. See: capitalist countries without freedom of speech.
      - ffgjgf1 3y ago
        Free market competition is impossible without some degree of free speech, so it depends on how you define ‘capitalism’
  - bbor 3y ago
    …I don’t think that’s what “moving the goalposts” means? What were the goalposts? I was just observing that WFH is better for the environment than WFO, which I would again say is just an objective fact. Obviously peoples priorities differ, and I guess some people don’t see climate change as real so would fight me on it being a fact, but I feel completely certain about that assertion. Re: capitalism, I mean, yeah… isn’t that also true? Much much more subjective but capitalism sure seems to be doing a number on the planet. Again what we want to do with that fact is up to priorities but… well tbh I’m confused about what you’re cross about!

Foobar8568 3y ago

Hotdesk is the biggest bullshit ever. Can you imagine arriving at your office having to think, will I be able to seat next to team? Having to do conference call because no meeting room available just for the poor guy who cannot be there by 8? Best part, people consider their desks as they own it, I have seen people moving stuff just because some dared to seat there before they arrive with management approval.

alex_lav 3y ago
Did you note the portion of the comment I specifically quoted? Because nowhere does it discuss hot desks.
sulam 3y ago
This is not what Google is doing.

bbor 3y ago

It _is_ objectively true that WFH is better for the environment. But oh well, so far wildfires are contained to just wildfire season, so not a big deal :))))))

chaostheory 3y ago
Yeah, people forget about the energy and pollution costs of forcing everyone to commute. Even if you drive an EV, there’s still pollution from tires. Given that we’ve proven that remote work is viable even without next gen AR VR devices, a lot of corporate PR supporting the environment feels very empty when we learn their stance on remote work
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riffraff 3y ago
WFH may be better for the environment but that is a different thing than "the best way of working". I've been remote for 14 years, I love it, but I've worked with plenty of people who didn't and went back to an office.
- bbor 3y ago
  Define "best" I suppose - best for corporate efficiency or best for human thriving? But yeah fair can't argue that it relates to efficiency.
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    The entire concept of capitalist "work" is in opposition to human thriving
- alex_lav 3y ago
  > I've been remote for 14 years, I love it, but I've worked with plenty of people who didn't and went back to an office. I've seen this level of reasonability probably less than 10 times when the remote vs. office debate breaks out. It's a real shame that sites like HN behave identically to twitter and reddit wrt actual conversation and debate about working environments.
klyrs 3y ago
> But oh well, so far wildfires are contained to just wildfire season, so not a big deal We just added a month and a half to wildfire season, just to keep that true!
alex_lav 3y ago
If you move the goalposts or are vague enough, anything can be true. Working from home is worse for the environment than abolishing capitalism, which is the driving force behind global warming. See? Conversation is useless if we ignore context or intent.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  It’s not like the USSR cared about the environment even the tiniest bit.. Under capitalism at least you get free speech and therefore some public pressure to impose various regulations.
  - bbor 3y ago
    Capitalism has nothing to do with freedom of speech. See: capitalist countries without freedom of speech.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      Free market competition is impossible without some degree of free speech, so it depends on how you define ‘capitalism’
- bbor 3y ago
  …I don’t think that’s what “moving the goalposts” means? What were the goalposts? I was just observing that WFH is better for the environment than WFO, which I would again say is just an objective fact. Obviously peoples priorities differ, and I guess some people don’t see climate change as real so would fight me on it being a fact, but I feel completely certain about that assertion. Re: capitalism, I mean, yeah… isn’t that also true? Much much more subjective but capitalism sure seems to be doing a number on the planet. Again what we want to do with that fact is up to priorities but… well tbh I’m confused about what you’re cross about!