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I'll take a stab and say most of this community isn't perfectionist but more efficiency-ists. While it's easy to lump them together, the difference in end goal

I'll take a stab and say most of this community isn't perfectionist but more efficiency-ists. While it's easy to lump them together, the difference in end goals tend to be absolute mastery vs maximizing use of time. But the similarities between the two above is as old as time, the comparison vs others and the acceptance of ones self is critical to happiness/joy. I myself could use some recovery.

code_biologist 3y ago
I have ADHD and though I love having a tidy home I struggle to make it happen. Still, I find chores to be a low stakes daily dojo to practice prioritization, executive function lol, "good enough" nonjudgemental thinking and all those values. Two books helped me greatly and they both call out the exact distinction between perfection and efficiency you do. Consciously giving up on "efficiency" has helped me finish a lot of projects I otherwise would have put off for far too long! The books are "How to Manage Your Home Without Losing Your Mind" by Dana White for ADHD folks, "How to Keep House While Drowning" by KC Davis for when life is f'ed. Heartily recommend both.
- morjom 3y ago
  As a young guy who moved on their own after a relatively sheltered life in February, who suffers from an ADHD adjacent condition (Narcolepsy) I've found a lot of help from ADHD resources. I'll check out these books next
- scns 3y ago
  Love your comment. Shall we replace > nonjudgemental thinking with acceptance? [edit] Two books that helped me: https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/0425269973/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/0425269973/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/B08775GG3K/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/B08775GG3K/
circlefavshape 3y ago
To me the similarity between those is more about trying to manifest your vision of an ideal life, instead of just experiencing the life you're in
Xcelerate 3y ago
> I'll take a stab and say most of this community isn't perfectionist but more efficiency-ists. I know everyone loves to hate MBTI, but I’ll translate to “most of this community is INTJ rather than INTP” because it seems so apt. We did an informal poll at the large tech company I worked at once and I think 70% of the software engineers were INTJ, 20% were INTP, and the rest were something else. So there is at least some predictive value to the test. But I agree there is definitely a big difference between perfectionists and efficiency-ists. I am a strong perfectionist which leads to problems getting things done on time because I want them done correctly and as accurately as possible. The efficiency-ists get annoyed that the work takes so long, but then again I get annoyed that their approach is riddled with flaws. They view it as a necessary optimization within strict time constraints; I tend to view it as “incorrect and likely to come back to bite you later”.

code_biologist 3y ago

I have ADHD and though I love having a tidy home I struggle to make it happen. Still, I find chores to be a low stakes daily dojo to practice prioritization, executive function lol, "good enough" nonjudgemental thinking and all those values. Two books helped me greatly and they both call out the exact distinction between perfection and efficiency you do. Consciously giving up on "efficiency" has helped me finish a lot of projects I otherwise would have put off for far too long! The books are "How to Manage Your Home Without Losing Your Mind" by Dana White for ADHD folks, "How to Keep House While Drowning" by KC Davis for when life is f'ed. Heartily recommend both.

morjom 3y ago
As a young guy who moved on their own after a relatively sheltered life in February, who suffers from an ADHD adjacent condition (Narcolepsy) I've found a lot of help from ADHD resources. I'll check out these books next
scns 3y ago
Love your comment. Shall we replace > nonjudgemental thinking with acceptance? [edit] Two books that helped me: https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/0425269973/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/0425269973/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/B08775GG3K/ https://www.amazon.com/-/en/dp/B08775GG3K/

circlefavshape 3y ago

To me the similarity between those is more about trying to manifest your vision of an ideal life, instead of just experiencing the life you're in

Xcelerate 3y ago

> I'll take a stab and say most of this community isn't perfectionist but more efficiency-ists. I know everyone loves to hate MBTI, but I’ll translate to “most of this community is INTJ rather than INTP” because it seems so apt. We did an informal poll at the large tech company I worked at once and I think 70% of the software engineers were INTJ, 20% were INTP, and the rest were something else. So there is at least some predictive value to the test. But I agree there is definitely a big difference between perfectionists and efficiency-ists. I am a strong perfectionist which leads to problems getting things done on time because I want them done correctly and as accurately as possible. The efficiency-ists get annoyed that the work takes so long, but then again I get annoyed that their approach is riddled with flaws. They view it as a necessary optimization within strict time constraints; I tend to view it as “incorrect and likely to come back to bite you later”.