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> This is just like the infamous "if you see a stylus, they blew it" approach with the iPhone > Today, of course, Apple ships an excellent stylus that they are

• jachee 3y ago
  Also, as a single point of anecdata: My $129 stylus spends the vast majority of the time magneted to the top of my iPad while my fingers do the actual work. It’s not exactly a regret, but as a not-really-an-artist, it’s… probably money I could’ve spent better. :)
  • ewoodrich 3y ago
    Same. But I would use it more if it would allow triggering all gestures (particularly home) without awkward assistive touch workarounds so it could be used for general navigation like the S-pen on my Galaxy Tab and phone. Which I imagine is intentional by Apple for aesthetic reasons since iPad should only be navigated by touch.
• dotnet00 3y ago
  Is that more because no one can use it with an iPhone? The stylus support on Samsung flagships is very convenient to have cross device capability on, and everyone I know who has those devices feels similarly. Eg when doing something on the tab with the pen and having a calculator open on the phone and seamlessly being able to use the pen for that. Support on phones, especially with the large screens these days, allows for all sorts of little synergies that make the experience much more smooth. This kind of synergy is especially convenient for students and teachers. But because Apple hasn't decided to make a slick commercial about it "revolutionizing" computing, HN must act like it isn't a thing.
  • dymk 3y ago
    I'm not commenting on if apple should make iPhones compatible, I'm pointing out that the argument in the parent comment doesn't make sense, because Apple has never backtracked on "iPhone does not have a stylus"
    • veidr 3y ago
      Well, what you say is technically true, but when Apple Pencil was released, there was no iPadOS -- all iPhones and iPads were just iOS devices, at different sizes.
• Dah00n 3y ago
  >Apple Pencil does not work with iPhone ehhh... >But nobody uses a Apple Pencil with an iPhone.
• detourdog 3y ago
  The Pencil is not a primary interface for iOS it is a specialized device that provides greater resolution than a finger. People love to try to point out how inconsistent and hypocritical Apple is and the criticism is usual unfounded, not thought through,...
  • veidr 3y ago
    That isn't what I was trying to say. I was saying that Apple tends to ignore the specialized/higher-precision option initially, focusing on the majority of the market that may not need it. But then they introduce it later. As I suspect they will do in this case, too. But that leaves an opening (maybe, temporarily, if they can capitalize on it) for competitors that do support more specialized input devices. If you wanted to draw diagrams or use handwriting input, Android had a huge advantage at first, ... until it didn't.
    • detourdog 3y ago
      Sorry I misunderstood. I agree Apple focuses on the general problem without trying to solve all the exceptions. Once they are comfortable with the working principles that start filling in the gaps. It took me 3 days just to really feel I understood what the Vision Pro video demonstrated. I was very uncomfortable watching the initial video. The first feeling was voyeuritistic as if I was spying on the user. The second feeling was the horror of actual people using them in isolated squalid environments. Eventually I rationalized that the demonstration was really about hand/finger/eye tracking in space. The "spatial" interface was the most special thing they demoed. The rest of the demo was hardware power and the ergonomics.