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Well nothing can be done about that, Google's trying to force people back and it's gonna do what it's gonna do. Unless people get together an exert their voice.

Well nothing can be done about that, Google's trying to force people back and it's gonna do what it's gonna do. Unless people get together an exert their voice. Though an interesting question is whether people who took a pay reduction for remote working "somewhere cheaper" will get an IMMEDIATE bump in salary due to now having to move back to SF? Like if Google is gonna uplift the entire lives of its workers, then it's gotta be prepared to pay for that to happen. But companies are companies, so I think we all know the answer to that unfortunately.

sulam 3y ago
Google pays by where you live, as determined by your work location. If people move back, they get a bump assuming they took a cut in the first place.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  This is not true. My understanding was that some 'office regions' are paid less than remote workers in the same state. https://archive.is/FQsXB https://archive.is/FQsXB
  - eitally 3y ago
    You're correct. This famously (within Google) came up in three scenarios: 1) people living in parts of Contra Costa County who were remote, and then paid 10% less than those living in the same place who commuted into a Google office in the bay area, 2) similar situation regarding NYC mapped employees living in Connecticut, and 3) NC-based employees being absolutely abused by being classified as "low cost" and given a 25% haircut in both base salary and equity refreshes.
  - sulam 3y ago
    I did not say people are paid the same based on the state they live in. They are paid based on where they live. Some regions are paid less than others, even within a state.
badlucklottery 3y ago
> Though an interesting question is whether people who took a pay reduction for remote working "somewhere cheaper" will get an IMMEDIATE bump in salary due to now having to move back to SF? So Google really had two types of remote workers for the last couple years: - Those who were "officially" remote: these people went through the process of converting their job title to "REMOTE" and took a pay cut in exchange for a different location (unless they were moving from a low cost to high cost location). - Those who were "unofficially" remote: they just didn't show up in person often (or ever) but were paid like their local counterparts. Sometimes these people moved far away from their assigned site. Managers were often cool with people rarely showing up as long as they hit their KRs. Right now Google is explicitly limiting new additions to the first "officially" remote group and trying to eliminate the second "unofficially" remote group. So, until they start trying to eliminate the "officially" remote group, they won't have to adjust pay. But they will likely have to if/when they go after that group.

sulam 3y ago

Google pays by where you live, as determined by your work location. If people move back, they get a bump assuming they took a cut in the first place.

wildrhythms 3y ago
This is not true. My understanding was that some 'office regions' are paid less than remote workers in the same state. https://archive.is/FQsXB https://archive.is/FQsXB
- eitally 3y ago
  You're correct. This famously (within Google) came up in three scenarios: 1) people living in parts of Contra Costa County who were remote, and then paid 10% less than those living in the same place who commuted into a Google office in the bay area, 2) similar situation regarding NYC mapped employees living in Connecticut, and 3) NC-based employees being absolutely abused by being classified as "low cost" and given a 25% haircut in both base salary and equity refreshes.
- sulam 3y ago
  I did not say people are paid the same based on the state they live in. They are paid based on where they live. Some regions are paid less than others, even within a state.

badlucklottery 3y ago

> Though an interesting question is whether people who took a pay reduction for remote working "somewhere cheaper" will get an IMMEDIATE bump in salary due to now having to move back to SF? So Google really had two types of remote workers for the last couple years: - Those who were "officially" remote: these people went through the process of converting their job title to "REMOTE" and took a pay cut in exchange for a different location (unless they were moving from a low cost to high cost location). - Those who were "unofficially" remote: they just didn't show up in person often (or ever) but were paid like their local counterparts. Sometimes these people moved far away from their assigned site. Managers were often cool with people rarely showing up as long as they hit their KRs. Right now Google is explicitly limiting new additions to the first "officially" remote group and trying to eliminate the second "unofficially" remote group. So, until they start trying to eliminate the "officially" remote group, they won't have to adjust pay. But they will likely have to if/when they go after that group.