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Newer NV cards are better value at msrp. On sale, previous gens are better value (everywhere. Sick 6800xt deals). Intel is killing it in providing value. The l

Newer NV cards are better value at msrp. On sale, previous gens are better value (everywhere. Sick 6800xt deals). Intel is killing it in providing value. The launch was basically generally competitive but with caveats, and Intel's kick ass amazing software folks - something strongly in Intel's long long suite albeit not evenly across absolutely every product - rapidly iterated & fixed bad spots & found tons of huge wins on their brand new gpu. It's a hero story, but amazing. What really sucks is that the (rest of the) market degrading like we have is only making the market worse. Some good wins are needed. AMD's rx7600 looks like a solid rx580 value-price replacement, finally. Good stuff.

andrewstuart 3y ago
>> AMD's rx7600 looks like a solid rx580 value-price replacement, finally. That’s not what the reviews said.
- rektide 3y ago
  It's sub $300 msrp and doubles a bunch of the numbers on the previous generation at a lower price. Tom's was a dismissive review, and the challenge is real, but it sure looks like a solid value oriented offering to me. Not a ton of lift, but cheaper msrp. And a couple admittedly minorish perks over last gen. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-review https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-revi... There's also a bunch of pretty positive reviews too. Also the competition is o ly so so. Nvidia's up scaling is amazing & probably an easy sell, but the amd card is quite a contender. It really reminds me of the rx580, but which was soo confusing at the time. Prices were going up & up & max killer speed was the only thing the gamer media ranked on or cared about, and the rx580 was so much less. But it was a great & amazing value, that served so many so well. I think amd is at another place of mismatched expectations & desires. But yes, the synthetics are amazing but the actual lift here is lackluster. But it's at an amazing msrp.
justinclift 3y ago
> Intel's kick ass amazing software folks That's probably the first time in history anyone has described them this way, as the software was so atrociously bad at Arc product launch it was famously universally panned + caused most reviewers to say "don't buy this product yet, wait for the software to be fixed". * https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1500 https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1500 (there are many other reviews like this) It's good they seem to have gotten their house in order afterwards though. So maybe they'll be regarded this way in future. :)
- rektide 3y ago
  I agree. It was bad. It still has significant rough edges, yes. But holy shit the team has done such an amazing job & the numbers & stability are sooo much better, but for a card that was already in so many cases competitive with cards that cost sooo much more. Changing the launch narrative is harder than sending people to the moon. People will cling to this initial knkwledge, I to the original message, for my heavens long.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Cool, sounds like they really are on the right path then. :)
- wtcactus 3y ago
  If intel did provide SR-IOV in their ARC cards, sure, I would agree. But looks like they willingly canibalized a product that could launch their practically non existing GPU server market, so that they wouldn't canibalize the sales of that market. Which will result in it not achieving actual momentum. Intel being intel (same silly positioning as with ECC memory).
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andrewstuart 3y ago

>> AMD's rx7600 looks like a solid rx580 value-price replacement, finally. That’s not what the reviews said.

rektide 3y ago
It's sub $300 msrp and doubles a bunch of the numbers on the previous generation at a lower price. Tom's was a dismissive review, and the challenge is real, but it sure looks like a solid value oriented offering to me. Not a ton of lift, but cheaper msrp. And a couple admittedly minorish perks over last gen. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-review https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-revi... There's also a bunch of pretty positive reviews too. Also the competition is o ly so so. Nvidia's up scaling is amazing & probably an easy sell, but the amd card is quite a contender. It really reminds me of the rx580, but which was soo confusing at the time. Prices were going up & up & max killer speed was the only thing the gamer media ranked on or cared about, and the rx580 was so much less. But it was a great & amazing value, that served so many so well. I think amd is at another place of mismatched expectations & desires. But yes, the synthetics are amazing but the actual lift here is lackluster. But it's at an amazing msrp.

justinclift 3y ago

> Intel's kick ass amazing software folks That's probably the first time in history anyone has described them this way, as the software was so atrociously bad at Arc product launch it was famously universally panned + caused most reviewers to say "don't buy this product yet, wait for the software to be fixed". * https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1500 https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo?t=1500 (there are many other reviews like this) It's good they seem to have gotten their house in order afterwards though. So maybe they'll be regarded this way in future. :)

rektide 3y ago
I agree. It was bad. It still has significant rough edges, yes. But holy shit the team has done such an amazing job & the numbers & stability are sooo much better, but for a card that was already in so many cases competitive with cards that cost sooo much more. Changing the launch narrative is harder than sending people to the moon. People will cling to this initial knkwledge, I to the original message, for my heavens long.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Cool, sounds like they really are on the right path then. :)
wtcactus 3y ago
If intel did provide SR-IOV in their ARC cards, sure, I would agree. But looks like they willingly canibalized a product that could launch their practically non existing GPU server market, so that they wouldn't canibalize the sales of that market. Which will result in it not achieving actual momentum. Intel being intel (same silly positioning as with ECC memory).

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