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> I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon. "Soon" being years away. So slow. The US is years behind as is. > Then Europe will be playing catch up

> I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon. "Soon" being years away. So slow. The US is years behind as is. > Then Europe will be playing catch up What on earth are you talking about? All brands of charger charge all brands of EV in Europe. It's one of the reasons the European EV market is bigger than the North American market. There's been more common sense applied to infrastructure.

gwbas1c 3y ago
"Together, Ford, Tesla, and GM represent nearly three-quarters of the EV market in the US — or 72 percent." https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging-standard-nacs-ccs-gm-ford https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging... Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug. Once these things get established, they are hard to change: In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. "Instant" teakettles are common in the UK, and don't require special outlets. In the US, an "instant" teakettle would require a special outlet. That's what happens when a country standardizes too early: The US had domestic electricity first... And picked a worse standard as a result.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug It isn't clunky. That's a bizarre claim to make and plainly not based on any practical experience with the CCS type 2 combo plug. Europe has simply done EV infrastructure better than the US. The European EV market is bigger. The European charging networks are better, faster, and growing every month. Feebly attempting to argue otherwise is childish. The proof is in the field and internet theorizing doesn't change that. > In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. Wot, you mean like how Tesla chargers are 400 volt which limits 800+ volt EVs from charging at their maximum kilowatts? Plenty of CCS chargers already support 800 volt cars. It will take a number of years for Tesla to roll out upgrades to get all their chargers up to spec.
  - gwbas1c 3y ago
    I have plenty of experience with both. Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks instead of looking at the merits of the situation.
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      > I have plenty of experience with both. You plainly don't. > Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks It's no insult to assess you correctly.

gwbas1c 3y ago

"Together, Ford, Tesla, and GM represent nearly three-quarters of the EV market in the US — or 72 percent." https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging-standard-nacs-ccs-gm-ford https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging... Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug. Once these things get established, they are hard to change: In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. "Instant" teakettles are common in the UK, and don't require special outlets. In the US, an "instant" teakettle would require a special outlet. That's what happens when a country standardizes too early: The US had domestic electricity first... And picked a worse standard as a result.

clouddrover 3y ago
> Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug It isn't clunky. That's a bizarre claim to make and plainly not based on any practical experience with the CCS type 2 combo plug. Europe has simply done EV infrastructure better than the US. The European EV market is bigger. The European charging networks are better, faster, and growing every month. Feebly attempting to argue otherwise is childish. The proof is in the field and internet theorizing doesn't change that. > In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. Wot, you mean like how Tesla chargers are 400 volt which limits 800+ volt EVs from charging at their maximum kilowatts? Plenty of CCS chargers already support 800 volt cars. It will take a number of years for Tesla to roll out upgrades to get all their chargers up to spec.
- gwbas1c 3y ago
  I have plenty of experience with both. Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks instead of looking at the merits of the situation.
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    > I have plenty of experience with both. You plainly don't. > Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks It's no insult to assess you correctly.