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Not sure if you've driven EVs, but I have had a Tesla and non-Tesla .. the charging situation is night & day. I say this as someone who left Tesla in spite of
by steveBK123 3y ago
Not sure if you've driven EVs, but I have had a Tesla and non-Tesla .. the charging situation is night & day. I say this as someone who left Tesla in spite of the CCS networks.
The plug is huge, the cables are heavy.. there is a poorly implemented locking mechanism that frequently breaks.. some people end up propping up the cable to support it so it doesn't trip that failure mode.
The CCS network companies in US are a joke, they are more than 5 year behind Tesla and building out slower than Tesla's current expansion.
On the east coast they are in less convenient locations, with fewer overall stations, with fewer stalls per station, with way higher failure rates, with much longer repair times.. and if you do happen to use it, the interface to activate charging is slower, error prone, and sometimes requires calling them.
I can go on and on.
CCS in US, lead by EA, has truly and utterly failed.
I am less happy with them continuing to be propped up by government subsidies and carmaker bulk purchases, than I am to see Tesla get a little more money to support their incredible charging network.
I am an EV proponent and would never pressure any family member to buy a non-Tesla because I do not want to be responsible for their CCS experience. I say this, again, as a non-Tesla EV owner who is happier with my car than with my old Tesla.
There is no successful EV transition in the US in which we rely on the likes of the Electrify America, EVGo and Chargepoint.
- kanbara 3y agoutterly failed? we’ve just started mass consumer adoption. this reads like the typical “only elon can save the world” shtick. i have a non tesla ev and it’s totally fine.
- hedora 3y agoI have a non-tesla EV, and ea and evgo are unacceptably bad. There’s at least a 25% chance they will fail to process my credit card or their stupid apps will break. For EA, there’s also a 10% chance it’ll flip my car’s “oh my god you are trying to make me explode with bad voltage, abort! abort!” alarm/circuit breaker. At home, there is no problem. For a given evgo charger, there is no problem (so I know it isn’t my car). Also, the flaky data connection stuff from above is documented in the ea UI (and only seems to apply to them… they really suck). I’ll begrudgingly admit that chargepoint generally works, but screw them for having an app (and they’re mostly only level 2 anyway). Also, there are a half dozen smaller networks, each of which is also a fractal snowflake of bullshit like this.
- ehvatum 3y ago> i have a non tesla ev and it’s totally fine It really isn’t. Driving my Leaf or i3 beyond 70 miles round trip is absolute Russian roulette. Will the charger be in service? Will it accept payment? Will it accept payment and then, for unknowable reasons, just not initiate charging? Contrast that with driving 2000 miles round trip in a Tesla. There’s not going to be any trouble charging, ever.
- DangitBobby 3y agoWhat does this have to do with the CSS connector standard?
- steveBK123 3y agoStockholm
- DangitBobby 3y agoNone of this is actually a problem with the standard, just typical American companies being mediocre.
- m00x 3y agoI have a Ford. The CCS connector sucks big time. I can't wait to be on the tesla network. I'll even pay ASAP to change my charging outlet.
- throwaway5959 3y agoWhat makes you think they’re swapping charging outlets for existing customers? We’re all getting adapters friend (well, maybe my Kona will, otherwise we’re just screwed outside of Ford/GM).
- steveBK123 3y agoTesla is an American company, and their chargers work. Further- many of the EA chargers are made in Europe :-) .
- DangitBobby 3y agoTypical doesn't mean "all" though. I guess it would be more fair to say typical companies being mediocre.