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> implicit fast feedback loop of standing next to each other. I have a hard time grasping this one. Is it brainstorming ? For things like pair programming or

> implicit fast feedback loop of standing next to each other. I have a hard time grasping this one. Is it brainstorming ? For things like pair programming or specification of a product, having separate screens and independent access to the same documents makes things a lot faster and efficient. Same way meetings tend to go smoother all participants can access whatever data they need independently from the presenter, and move through the docs at their own pace. Basically a mix of synchronous communication and access to all needed resources seems to me to perform better than IRL binding of two or more people looking at each other.

extr 3y ago
I wouldn't call it brainstorming. More like "alignment". Fleshing out the vision you have for what you need to do, and putting that up against your coworkers vision, and figuring out where the disagreements/gaps are. You can do this quickly if you have an experienced and disciplined PM guiding the discussion, but most people don't, so they just have long conversations. Which works fine IRL, but it's very uncomfortable to be on a zoom call for more than about 45 minutes at a time.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  > Fleshing out the vision you have for what you need to do, and putting that up against your coworkers vision, and figuring out where the disagreements/gaps are. This is a part that probably varies a lot individually...I'm a slow thinker, and have a hard time reacting to fully formed ideas thrown at me thrown at me over a table. The other side coming with fully prepared for the discussion, while on the receiving end you need to do your homework realtime also doesn't help. If it's random brainstorming it doesn't matter a lot. If it's an actually important topics, it feels like a DDOS on your brain when you actually want to take time to understand the implications. Then sure, some situations require speed, but I don't see that many of them in day to day life. "What you think about moving to X framework for our metrics ?" can probably wait for 30 min. and not be a realtime exchange. > it's very uncomfortable to be on a zoom call for more than about 45 minutes at a time. I've finding these meetings way more comfortable in remote...someone can be rambling for as long as they need, the effect on everyone's productivity is that much reduced. Same for people who speak very slowly actually, it's a lot less stress IMO and easier to engage when paradoxically you don't need to be 100% looking at them in the eyes.
  - mLuby 3y ago
    > have a hard time reacting to fully formed ideas thrown at me thrown at me over a table. The other side coming with fully prepared for the discussion, while on the receiving end you need to do your homework realtime also doesn't help. That's the feature, not a bug. It gives the meeting initiator a better chance of steamrolling their way to approval. Notice the difference between meetings where people share agendas and docs ahead of time vs those where you show up and they walk you through the doc.

extr 3y ago

I wouldn't call it brainstorming. More like "alignment". Fleshing out the vision you have for what you need to do, and putting that up against your coworkers vision, and figuring out where the disagreements/gaps are. You can do this quickly if you have an experienced and disciplined PM guiding the discussion, but most people don't, so they just have long conversations. Which works fine IRL, but it's very uncomfortable to be on a zoom call for more than about 45 minutes at a time.

makeitdouble 3y ago
> Fleshing out the vision you have for what you need to do, and putting that up against your coworkers vision, and figuring out where the disagreements/gaps are. This is a part that probably varies a lot individually...I'm a slow thinker, and have a hard time reacting to fully formed ideas thrown at me thrown at me over a table. The other side coming with fully prepared for the discussion, while on the receiving end you need to do your homework realtime also doesn't help. If it's random brainstorming it doesn't matter a lot. If it's an actually important topics, it feels like a DDOS on your brain when you actually want to take time to understand the implications. Then sure, some situations require speed, but I don't see that many of them in day to day life. "What you think about moving to X framework for our metrics ?" can probably wait for 30 min. and not be a realtime exchange. > it's very uncomfortable to be on a zoom call for more than about 45 minutes at a time. I've finding these meetings way more comfortable in remote...someone can be rambling for as long as they need, the effect on everyone's productivity is that much reduced. Same for people who speak very slowly actually, it's a lot less stress IMO and easier to engage when paradoxically you don't need to be 100% looking at them in the eyes.
- mLuby 3y ago
  > have a hard time reacting to fully formed ideas thrown at me thrown at me over a table. The other side coming with fully prepared for the discussion, while on the receiving end you need to do your homework realtime also doesn't help. That's the feature, not a bug. It gives the meeting initiator a better chance of steamrolling their way to approval. Notice the difference between meetings where people share agendas and docs ahead of time vs those where you show up and they walk you through the doc.